Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 7, 2010 11:44pm
the article said he put his cigarette out on the bottom of his shoe.THE4RINGZ wrote: What causes one to light their footware on fire in the washroom? Seriously is he that fucking stupid that he thought he could do that, go back to his seat, and get off the plane like nothing happened?
King, Prince, Diplomat, whatever, what a fucking dumbass.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 7, 2010 11:44pm
So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 7, 2010 11:46pm
gibby08 wrote: You act like this wouldn't have been stopped before 9/11
i haven't done any research i'll admit, but i dont recall any hijacked planes being taken back by passengers until 9/11.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Apr 7, 2010 11:47pm
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 7, 2010 11:48pm
I'm not saying they would've..but some on here are acting like without the Bush program...this plane would have blown up
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 7, 2010 11:48pm
Can't say that, but to say that a 1 in 909 vs a 1 in 30 chance of an air marshal being there who is trained to stop it isn't a big different is ridiculous. It's one of the spending sprees that Bush embarked on that is actually paying off. FAM were not on average flights before 9/11. Airplanes are 1 place where the american citizen is almost complete vulnerable and any extra police presence is a giant plus.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 7, 2010 11:49pm
The numbers don't lie. Your downplaying of the FAM program is asinine.gibby08 wrote: I'm not saying they would've..but some on here are acting like without the Bush program...this plane would have blown up
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 7, 2010 11:50pm
You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprisetk421 wrote:What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 7, 2010 11:51pm
LJ wrote:The numbers don't lie. Your downplaying of the FAM program is asinine.gibby08 wrote: I'm not saying they would've..but some on here are acting like without the Bush program...this plane would have blown up
You can keep throwing those numbers out all you want LJ,and can say I'm downplaying the program..but don't act like the Bush program is the only reason this plane didn't go down
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 7, 2010 11:54pm
Umm, it's a major factor. You are throwing out a hypothetical unknown assertion made up by you vs hard facts. Bush is the one that put thousands of air marshals on common commercial flights. One of these air marshals stopped the incident, therefore the program put into place by Bush stopped the attack.gibby08 wrote:LJ wrote:The numbers don't lie. Your downplaying of the FAM program is asinine.gibby08 wrote: I'm not saying they would've..but some on here are acting like without the Bush program...this plane would have blown up
You can keep throwing those numbers out all you want LJ,and can say I'm downplaying the program..but don't act like the Bush program is the only reason this plane didn't go down
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Apr 7, 2010 11:54pm
I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.gibby08 wrote:You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprisetk421 wrote:What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Apr 7, 2010 11:58pm
We don't need Bush's Air Marshals.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 7, 2010 11:58pm
tk421 wrote:I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.gibby08 wrote:You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprisetk421 wrote:What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't
So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Apr 8, 2010 12:00am
That didn't work out too well, did it? Fat lot of good it does for the passengers to intervene if they all die anyway. I'll take the air marshals on my plane, thank you.gibby08 wrote:tk421 wrote:I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.gibby08 wrote:You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprisetk421 wrote:What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't
So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 8, 2010 12:00am
Ok, let's go over something.gibby08 wrote:tk421 wrote:I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.gibby08 wrote:You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprisetk421 wrote:What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't
So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
Did a passenger stop this incident? NO
Did an air marshal stop this incident? YES
Were air marshals on common commercial flights before 9/11? NO
Therefore the FACT is that Bush's FAM program stopped the attack.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 8, 2010 12:01am
none of you even fucking understand what I'm saying...Jesus
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 8, 2010 12:02am
No, you don't understand what everyone is telling you. You are playing out a hypothetical situation that did not happen tonight vs what actually happened tonight.gibby08 wrote: none of you even fucking understand what I'm saying...Jesus
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 8, 2010 12:02am
What if this had been one of the flights that didn't have an Air Marshall on it?? Would Bush's program have caused the death of passengers??LJ wrote:Ok, let's go over something.gibby08 wrote:tk421 wrote:I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.gibby08 wrote:You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprisetk421 wrote:What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't
So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
Did a passenger stop this incident? NO
Did an air marshal stop this incident? YES
Were air marshals on common commercial flights before 9/11? NO
Therefore the FACT is that Bush's FAM program stopped the attack.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 8, 2010 12:03am
ohh..I get it now LJ..LJ wrote:No, you don't understand what everyone is telling you. You are playing out a hypothetical situation that did not happen tonight vs what actually happened tonight.gibby08 wrote: none of you even fucking understand what I'm saying...Jesus
If I don't agree with you...I don't understand
Gotya chief
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 8, 2010 12:03am
sigh. Stop making up hypothetical situations that have not happened.gibby08 wrote:What if this had been one of the flights that didn't have an Air Marshall on it?? Would Bush's program have caused the death of passengers??LJ wrote:Ok, let's go over something.gibby08 wrote:tk421 wrote:I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.gibby08 wrote:You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprisetk421 wrote:What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't
So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
Did a passenger stop this incident? NO
Did an air marshal stop this incident? YES
Were air marshals on common commercial flights before 9/11? NO
Therefore the FACT is that Bush's FAM program stopped the attack.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 8, 2010 12:04am
sigh...gibby08 wrote:ohh..I get it now LJ..LJ wrote:No, you don't understand what everyone is telling you. You are playing out a hypothetical situation that did not happen tonight vs what actually happened tonight.gibby08 wrote: none of you even fucking understand what I'm saying...Jesus
If I don't agree with you...I don't understand
Gotya chief
You haven't understood what I have told you at all. You are arguing fake gibby world vs reality.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 8, 2010 12:04am
Can't have it both ways LJ...
Answer the question
Answer the question
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 8, 2010 12:06am
No it wouldn't be his fault, how could it?gibby08 wrote: Can't have it both ways LJ...
Answer the question
If a cop shoots a murderer in the head that has a knife to a hostages throat, did the cop save their life? YES
If a murderer slits that same person's throat because there were no cops around who had no prior knowledge of the situation is it the cops fault? NO
So, I am not having it both ways.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 8, 2010 12:07am
If he gets the credit for stopping one...he would have to get the shit for if one crashed without a federal Marshall
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 8, 2010 12:09am
Not at all. Have a good night!!!gibby08 wrote: If he gets the credit for stopping one...he would have to get the shit for if one crashed without a federal Marshall
