Al Bundy

posted by Ironman92

Did he try to be powerful or was he always leadoff or 2nd and job was to get on base and score runs? I agree he’s too high on many peoples thoughts due to incredible longevity and counting stats….but I also believe some of the older guys get denoted a bit based on all the ways the game is played today and what’s important now.

I believe when Rose played it was play 162 games as hard as you could….now it’s 155 with 7 scheduled days off. Hell Votto is more revered by many new age because he got on base at a great rate….Pete actually scored. Teams would easily pitch around Votto to let him and his terrible baserunning skills stand on 1st….especially with 2 outs. 

Pete was an all-star at 4-5 positions and played everyday, scored 2165 runs and had a hit total that doesn’t even make sense. If not for gambling we don’t have to call him the greatest but he’s without a doubt being honored as one of them every time it happens.

For the first part of Pete's career, the mound was significantly higher, which gave the pitchers an advantage. He still put up great stats. He's not the greatest, but I think that he gets underappreciated at times. If he played a couple of decades later, his homerun numbers would have been better because the ballparks became smaller. For the first decade of his career, many of the old ballparks with the huge outfields were still being used.

posted by Ironman92

I mentioned Bob Gibson earlier…he died in 2020.

Social media pushing Rickey Henderson….I LOVE Rickey, but he’s not it. Wasn’t a great hitter, average fielder. GOAT leadoff hitter and baserunner 

He's not even the greatest living outfielder. Bonds and Griffey were better.

posted by Ironman92

Koufax is interesting because he lead the league in ERA his final 5 seasons.  Chronic elbow pain forced his retirement at age 30. Insane inning totals, strikeouts, wins etc

I wonder if you switch their career timelines what happens?

Pedro himself after about age 31-32 wasn’t the Pedro we knew but he transformed himself and adapted as needed to pitch several more years.

Both are the upper echelon talent/production guys, Pedro a bit more longevity…but can’t really diss either of these guys.

Been cool to see Nolan Ryan not on sub par teams for a quarter of a century. Lead the league in ERA and strikeouts and go 8-16. Always wondered if he stayed with the Mets for 5 years then went to Yankees instead of Angels…then the Dodgers instead of the Astros…then the A’s or Blue Jays instead of the Rangers.

I'll take Maddux over either of them, and I'll take Clemens if we are ignoring steroids.

posted by jmog

It’s post tax money, not pretax like 401k. 

I’m not going to pretend like I know enough, the same website that handles our company’s 401k has an option for me to contribute the $7000 or whatever post tax,

It sounds like your company offers both traditional 401k and Roth 401k. I switched over to Roth when my employer added it as an option.

posted by Ironman92

Halfway thru 3rd qtr against the Rams the Lions were clear down to the Rams 29, bad play call back to 34, sack back to 40, short pass for about 3 yards. Badgley makes an outdoor 54 yard FG (the longest of the postseason so far) to give Lions 24-17 lead

Lions win 24-23…..are the Lions advancing beyond the wildcard round if Badgley misses?

Definitely was a great kick

posted by Devils Advocate

I’m half crooked after chemo and a “little” medical cannabis and will leave you all tonight with a trollish question: Are the Browns better off without Mayfield? ( please consider all relevant info like salaries draft picks ect )

Seriously, I’m just askin

Would you trade Deshaun for Baker and 3 first round draft picks? 

posted by friendfromlowry

Weren't a lot of the players and staff fed up with him? It had seemed like he had run his course there which is a shame for Cleveland because he seems to be doing very well elsewhere. Cleveland meanwhile has committed to this window thats quickly running out and they did worse than Houston and Tampa this year which no one would have guessed at the beginning of the season. 

OBJ's dad was fighting with Baker. I don't think that Baker is a great QB, but he is having a very good season. 

Baker now has as many playoff wins as Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson combined.

Hopefully they can hit the Steelers with a lot of snowballs. 

One of the worst things about this loss is that we gave Houston the picks that they traded to move up and get Stroud. To top it off, they get our first round pick again. 

posted by gut

I don't know.  They gave up A LOT in money and picks for Watson.  Window probably starts closing for them after next year.  Mortgaged the farm for Watson because they thought QB was the missing piece.

Right now, CLE sits at 27th with negative $14M in cap space.  Basically to improve their roster they have to hit homeruns with their R2 and R3 draft picks.

I agree with you that the Watson trade put the franchise in a bad spot, not only are we in a salary cap mess, we don't have first round picks heading into years 1, 2, and 3 of their rookie deals (the years where you often maximize value vs. salary cap expense). I imagine that they will cut some veterans or try to renegotiate some deals to improve the cap number (or at least kick that can down the road). 

Hopefully they can make the necessary steps to get better. They have some solid pieces, but they also have a lot of question marks. There are many key players coming back from injury, but no one can know if they will be at the same level. Hopefully the Deshaun Watson project gets better than what we have seen so far. The roster is lacking depth in many key positions. It remains to be seen if the coaching staff will lose any key parts. In this league, you need to keep getting better, or you can fall fast (I'm old enough to remember the 1981 Browns when everyone was expecting Superbowl after the magical 1980 season, and it ended up 5-11)

posted by friendfromlowry

Bills - Steelers postponed until Monday 4pm

Anything to accommodate the Steelers 

posted by iclfan2

0 chance it happens, but I’d take him at OSU in a second. 

He would bring a toughness and physical aspect that OSU needs to compete with the elite teams again.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Hard disagree. I think die hards and most casual fans are going to like the big match ups every week and the new playoff. Yes, some rivals are going away, but that's always been the case. But, hey at least we are getting Texas and Texas A&M next year.

Look at the weekly SEC and Big Ten schedules each week next year. It is going to be great. 

College football is the 2nd most popular sport in terms of ratings. I think it only grows in the coming years. 

And yes, Michigan still sucks. 

I think that we have to see how this all plays out. OSU picks up Oregon for a conference game, but they don't play any power 5 (or whatever we call it now) non-conference. The overall schedule for OSU isn't that different, with a lot of bad matchups. The regular season won't be as dramatic (especially in November). A loss will just move a team down a few seeds instead of knocking them out of a national championship. They need to figure out rules for NIL and the transfer portal to keep that from destroying some programs.

54 years ago today the browns played in their last NFL championship game. They lost to the Vikings.

posted by friendfromlowry

Why don’t they open the transfer portal after these games? Top talent is already skipping them with their sights on the draft. Now players are missing the games because they’ve already committed to another team next year. 

I think that some of it is because of the academic calendar. Some schools start Spring semester shortly after New Year.

Wrapping gifts

posted by BR1986FB

Browns were fortunate than when it hit his foot he kicked it right into the arms of a defender and not up in the air for a jump ball.

It worked out, so we will take it, but I'd prefer to rush 4 in a hail Mary situation. It's a much harder throw if QB can't set his feet.

posted by BR1986FB

NFL just posted this and deleted it on Facebook 😂😂😂which one of yall hacked their page? #browns pic.twitter.com/7Hr3l2GibM

— David Dasecond (@dthompson2634) December 15, 2023

If the league had Pittsburgh scheduled for those games, I'd have no doubt that the fix is in.