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Swamp Fox

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Feb 19, 2010 12:12 PM
I really admire Z and think that the Championship would be somehow less meaningful if he wasn't there to share in it. (Of course, the Cavs will have to survive the heroics of Kobe and in LA, that is no easy task.)
Feb 19, 2010 12:12pm
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jordo212000

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Feb 19, 2010 12:23 PM
Swamp Fox wrote: I really admire Z and think that the Championship would be somehow less meaningful if he wasn't there to share in it.
hahahahahahahahaahahahahah
Feb 19, 2010 12:23pm
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Sage

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Feb 19, 2010 12:25 PM
Atlanta, Dallas, and the Nuggets will all be bidding for his services. They need him more than Cleveland does, which will = more money.

I mean, think about it---you were with an organization for 14 years, never complained--even though they were one of the worst franchises in the league--and then when things are turning around, the basically trade you with a worthless first round pick.

I mean, obviously, it's a business and the Cavs had to do what they had to do. But, I honestly would not be shocked if Z went elsewhere.
Feb 19, 2010 12:25pm
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jordo212000

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Feb 19, 2010 12:30 PM
I'd say that is Z is returning, which is fine with me, but to those who think that this team desperately needs him is definitely mistaken. I would much rather see them pick up somebody for their abilities on the court rather than for the memories
Feb 19, 2010 12:30pm
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ytownfootball

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Feb 19, 2010 12:33 PM
Atlanta, Dallas, and the Nuggets all seem to think he still has value, especially at the price jordo, you seem to think there a lot of Bigs available and there aren't.
Feb 19, 2010 12:33pm
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jordo212000

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Feb 19, 2010 12:37 PM
ytownfootball wrote: Atlanta, Dallas, and the Nuggets all seem to think he still has value, especially at the price jordo, you seem to think there a lot of Bigs available and there aren't.
I think I am just saying I hate that the fans and maybe management feels obligated to bring him back when he really doesn't have a whole lot of use. It would seem to me that the only thing this would accomplish is a decrease in JJ's minutes. (Varejao gets center minutes now, Z gets those minutes back, Varejao gets PF minutes to compensate for that, and then who do they take minutes from?)
Feb 19, 2010 12:37pm
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krazie45

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Feb 19, 2010 12:40 PM
jordo212000 wrote: I think I am just saying I hate that the fans and maybe management feels obligated to bring him back when he really doesn't have a whole lot of use. It would seem to me that the only thing this would accomplish is a decrease in JJ's minutes. (Varejao gets center minutes now, Z gets those minutes back, Varejao gets PF minutes to compensate for that, and then who do they take minutes from?)
Can't beat the Lakers or Magic w/o Z. Plus he allows Shaq to rest and still gives us a 7 footer on the floor.
Feb 19, 2010 12:40pm
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ytownfootball

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Feb 19, 2010 12:42 PM
You act like he's an upright log when he's in there jordo...he's not!

I could post a bunch of stats to base that claim but I'll leave that to you. He contributes. Period.
Feb 19, 2010 12:42pm
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just_a_swimmer

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Feb 19, 2010 1:14 PM
Bottom line. It is up to Z whether or not he comes back. I can't see it happening (him accepting more $$$ to play somewhere else) but I learned a long time ago when it comes to pro sports there are no loyalties.
Feb 19, 2010 1:14pm
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KnightXC1

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Feb 19, 2010 1:52 PM
Krazie, my bad then. I said I could be mistaken and apparently was but I know it was longer than 30 days from the time of the trade last year to when McDyess came back. Either way, no worries.
Feb 19, 2010 1:52pm
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SQ_Crazies

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Feb 19, 2010 5:16 PM
LOL, what do people not understand about me saying I'D vote for him for the HOF. I don't have a vote. I know he won't ever be in the HOF, I'm just saying I'd vote for him because he's a pro's pro. Guys like him set the example of what people expect a PROFESSIONAL athlete to be. And he's had a damn successful career on top of that, not HOF worthy but I didn't say that because of numbers.
Feb 19, 2010 5:16pm
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KR1245

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Feb 19, 2010 5:37 PM
Sage wrote: Atlanta, Dallas, and the Nuggets will all be bidding for his services. They need him more than Cleveland does, which will = more money.

I mean, think about it---you were with an organization for 14 years, never complained--even though they were one of the worst franchises in the league--and then when things are turning around, the basically trade you with a worthless first round pick.

I mean, obviously, it's a business and the Cavs had to do what they had to do. But, I honestly would not be shocked if Z went elsewhere.
The Cavs also stood by Z through all of the surgeries he went through early in his career, alot of teams wouldnt have done that. I dont think money has anything to do with it, Z has plenty of money.
Feb 19, 2010 5:37pm
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SQ_Crazies

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Feb 19, 2010 5:38 PM
Z isn't going to leave for more money or because he feels like he got slighted by the organization. They didn't turn their back on him, his contract was just a big bargaining chip based on timing. He'll be back, I have very little doubt about that.
Feb 19, 2010 5:38pm
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3reppom

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Feb 20, 2010 4:14 AM
Z will most likely be back. It isn't a mortal lock, but he is at most 1 year from retiring and he will want to do that as a Cav
Feb 20, 2010 4:14am
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Footwedge

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Feb 20, 2010 4:39 AM
Z may get a higher offers from other teans, but the offers are only prorated for the last month of the season. So if Dallas uppercuts the offer over the Cavs, tte amount would be in the range of 150K or so. Then there's the money factor of making 25K per player per round in advancing in the tournament.

So in essence, ZZZ will make more by coming back.

Z wants to win a title....but he wants to win a title even more in Cleveland. He knows that perhaps outside of the Lakers, the Cavs have the best chance to win.

And finally, once the team comes to grips with Jamison being a liability and not an asset, the team will be desparate in getting the big z grabbin boards, making tip ins, blocking shots and hitting his 19 foot jumper.

If ZZZ does not come back, and Jamison fails, I could see LBJ leaving. for good.

Danny...you blew it.
Feb 20, 2010 4:39am