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Is Donte Stallworth a murderer?

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thedynasty1998

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Feb 9, 2010 8:08 AM
I know this has been discussed in detail over the last year or so, but what do you think?

Do you consider him a murderer, or not?
Feb 9, 2010 8:08am
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THE4RINGZ

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Feb 9, 2010 8:19 AM
Not a murderer in my book. However, both the law and the league went very soft on his punishment. 24 days in jail and 1 year suspension from the league. Especially when you compare the situation to Plaxico.
Feb 9, 2010 8:19am
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vball10set

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Feb 9, 2010 8:28 AM
no--he made a stupid decision to drink and drive,but he did not go out with the intention a killing someone,which IMO is the definition of a "murderer"
Feb 9, 2010 8:28am
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Feb 9, 2010 8:32 AM
I go back and forth on this. Typically I am probably on of the biggest supporters of higher punishments for drinking and driving especially if they involve a death. The only issue I have is this is the facts I have heard. From every account I had heard is that even had he been sober the events that took place would have probably had the exact same outcome. I mean if I'm driving down the road and someone jumps out in front of me and is killed I hope I don't have to spend any time in jail. However, if he hadn't been drinking and driving we would know the answer to that. This is a very grey area. I would typically lean toward yes he's a muderer but it's hard to say in light of what witnesses say about the guy running in front of him.
Feb 9, 2010 8:32am
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Feb 9, 2010 8:34 AM
vball10set wrote: no--he made a stupid decision to drink and drive,but he did not go out with the intention a killing someone,which IMO is the definition of a "murderer"
Now see I disagree with this. I think anytime you drink and drive you take that risk of killing someone. If you would rather we called him a killer than a muderer than OK. If I grab a loaded gun and run up and down the street firing it I'm not meaning to murder anyone. So if a bullet strikes and kills someone then I'm not a murder. I just made a bad decision to run and shoot.
Feb 9, 2010 8:34am
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Feb 9, 2010 8:39 AM
no way....i think both parties were at fault. and it seems he was honest and fully cooperated with authorities. I have hit someone who ran out in the street a few years ago downtown and sometimes theres nothing you can do. if i remember correctly he had never been in trouble before
Feb 9, 2010 8:39am
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rock_knutne

Feb 9, 2010 8:42 AM
No. While drinking and driving is a serious issue, people in an intoxicated state of mind usually can't make a rational decision. Doesn't excuse what Stallworth did but wasn't the guy he ran over J-walking?
Feb 9, 2010 8:42am
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rydawg5

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Feb 9, 2010 9:10 AM
Scarlet_Fever wrote:
vball10set wrote: no--he made a stupid decision to drink and drive,but he did not go out with the intention a killing someone,which IMO is the definition of a "murderer"
Now see I disagree with this. I think anytime you drink and drive you take that risk of killing someone. If you would rather we called him a killer than a muderer than OK. If I grab a loaded gun and run up and down the street firing it I'm not meaning to murder anyone. So if a bullet strikes and kills someone then I'm not a murder. I just made a bad decision to run and shoot.
Anytime you text and drive you take that risk of killing someone. Anytime you change the station you take taht risk.

If you would rather call it not paying attentino than OK. If I wasn't paying attention to where I aimed a loaded gun and started firing at people on accident,

I'm not a murderer, just made a bad decision to not pay attention to where I aimed.
Feb 9, 2010 9:10am
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Feb 9, 2010 11:19 AM
He's a drunk driver, not a murderer. His actions did not cause the death.
Feb 9, 2010 11:19am
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buckeyes_woowee

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Feb 9, 2010 11:27 AM
nope
Feb 9, 2010 11:27am
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pkebker

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Feb 9, 2010 11:54 AM
The judicial system ruled he is not a murderer. By definition, he is not a murderer. I don't see how one can argue he is a murderer. He committed manslaughter.
Feb 9, 2010 11:54am
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Feb 9, 2010 12:02 PM
No, murder has to have intent. Just because he was drinking doesn't mean he intended to kill someone. Is he a jackass, yes. But as is the man who is now dead. Both were at fault here, but I think he served his punishment and paid a great deal of money to the family. Drinking and driving is stupid, and he should (and was?) punished for it like anyone else who got a DUI.
Feb 9, 2010 12:02pm
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Feb 9, 2010 12:22 PM
No, the guy ran out in front of him.
Feb 9, 2010 12:22pm
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Feb 9, 2010 12:47 PM
Let's make this really logically simple.

A) Do people who get pulled over and fail a field sobriety test get charged with ATTEMPTED murder?

B) Do people who refuse sobriety tests get charged with ATTEMPTED Murder?

If both would be yes, then if a DUI results in a death then the death would be the result of a murder.

If both are no, then the DUI-related death would not be a murder.
Feb 9, 2010 12:47pm
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Feb 9, 2010 12:49 PM
Hell no he was at .12 or something like that..he was hardly buzzed and if he hadn't been drinking he wouldn't of been punished at all in my opinion
Feb 9, 2010 12:49pm
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Feb 9, 2010 1:23 PM
rydawg5 wrote: Let's make this really logically simple.

A) Do people who get pulled over and fail a field sobriety test get charged with ATTEMPTED murder?

B) Do people who refuse sobriety tests get charged with ATTEMPTED Murder?

If both would be yes, then if a DUI results in a death then the death would be the result of a murder.

If both are no, then the DUI-related death would not be a murder.

When a person murders a pregnant women they are charged with double homicide. When you just kill the baby it's legal. Either way they both killed the baby. Yet only one is murder. (well at least in the courts eyes)
Feb 9, 2010 1:23pm
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rydawg5

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Feb 9, 2010 1:29 PM
Scarlet_Fever wrote:
rydawg5 wrote: Let's make this really logically simple.

A) Do people who get pulled over and fail a field sobriety test get charged with ATTEMPTED murder?

B) Do people who refuse sobriety tests get charged with ATTEMPTED Murder?

If both would be yes, then if a DUI results in a death then the death would be the result of a murder.

If both are no, then the DUI-related death would not be a murder.

When a person murders a pregnant women they are charged with double homicide. When you just kill the baby it's legal. Either way they both killed the baby. Yet only one is murder. (well at least in the courts eyes)
It depends on how far along she is. This is a new legislation from Bush.

Bush also believed that Nuclear Weapons were in Iraq. (Bushisms) are all across the country.

Although I agree with his decision, it does make a difference how far along in the womb the baby is to be double homicide (I think)

I could be wrong like I usually am.

Therefore your point does not factor out my point. You cant double stamp a triple stamp.
Feb 9, 2010 1:29pm
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devil1197

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Feb 9, 2010 1:35 PM
No.

Both parties were at fault as stated earlier. Just a bad situation for all involved.
Feb 9, 2010 1:35pm
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Al Capone

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Feb 9, 2010 1:59 PM
Ray Lewis- yes
Stallworth- no
Feb 9, 2010 1:59pm
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Feb 9, 2010 2:02 PM
Nope.
Feb 9, 2010 2:02pm
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Feb 9, 2010 2:17 PM
No he's not. The penalty was right for the crime. The guy was jay walking across a 4 lane? Big no-no.
Feb 9, 2010 2:17pm
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sportchampps

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Feb 9, 2010 3:04 PM
No, the death would have happened weather he was drunk or night. He also stopped and did everything in his power to try and help the man. He had remorse and knows he played some part in a persons death but he did not cause it. If the manwho died hadn't been breaking a law he wouldnt have died. Had Stallworth not have been been breaking the law the man probably would have still died. How anyone can call him a murderer for that I do not know.
Feb 9, 2010 3:04pm
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Feb 9, 2010 4:20 PM
Not a murderer but a huge piece of shit who deserved a lot longer sentence.
Feb 9, 2010 4:20pm
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Feb 9, 2010 4:30 PM
not even close. and he's not a piece of shit either. thats just a dumb comment
Feb 9, 2010 4:30pm
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Feb 9, 2010 4:42 PM
tcarrier32 wrote: not even close. and he's not a piece of shit either. thats just a dumb comment
He drove drunk, that alone makes him a douchebag and an idiot. Combine that with a dead guy and you get a piece of shit.

But he certainly isn't a murderer.
Feb 9, 2010 4:42pm