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Gblock

Jan 11, 2010 10:35 AM
First of all rooney is white .....secondly going through the interview process in itself is a learning experience and for a young coach even if you know your not getting the job it can be very valuable in interviewing well in the next job.

AA candidates dont have to interview if they dont want...they just have to ask at least one, many times they dont interview.
Jan 11, 2010 10:35am
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Gblock

Jan 11, 2010 10:41 AM
also im not sold on pete caroll in the NFL....what makes him an immediate hire....if im not mistaken he coached in the nfl before with around a .500 win percentage?
Jan 11, 2010 10:41am
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Jan 11, 2010 10:51 AM
Where do you draw the line ewok?

Based on cencus?

Based on player demographics?

I agree the number in the NCAA is low, but addressing apparent discrimination with more of the same doesn't seem right to me either. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Jan 11, 2010 10:51am
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Gblock

Jan 11, 2010 11:05 AM
tony dungy's thoughts on the rule

"The idea of the rule is to slow down the process and get teams to do their homework and investigate a lot of candidates, not just minority candidates,” he said. “You went through the process, and in doing that sometimes you uncover people.”
Jan 11, 2010 11:05am
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Jan 11, 2010 11:07 AM
Gblock wrote: also im not sold on pete caroll in the NFL....what makes him an immediate hire....if im not mistaken he coached in the nfl before with around a .500 win percentage?
He's a high profile coach, that's why.
Jan 11, 2010 11:07am
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Jan 11, 2010 11:10 AM
Gblock wrote: tony dungy's thoughts on the rule

"The idea of the rule is to slow down the process and get teams to do their homework and investigate a lot of candidates, not just minority candidates,” he said. “You went through the process, and in doing that sometimes you uncover people.”
If we just want to slow the process down, why do they HAVE to interview a minority. Why not just make a minimum number of interviews? x allowed being in-organization and y being out of organization. It's still silly, but it's better than discrimination.
Jan 11, 2010 11:10am
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Jan 11, 2010 11:45 AM
Yeah I'm with the others. I'm not going to repeat what others have said over and over, but I agree with ytownfootball, krazie45, etc.
Jan 11, 2010 11:45am
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Jan 11, 2010 11:56 AM
sleeper wrote: I'll say the truth. Just as white people don't make good basketball players, for the most part, black people do not make great head coaches. Sorry, but that's just the truth.
Tony Dungy and Omar Epps twin beg to differ.
Jan 11, 2010 11:56am
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Jan 11, 2010 12:55 PM
derek bomar wrote:
sleeper wrote: I'll say the truth. Just as white people don't make good basketball players, for the most part, black people do not make great head coaches. Sorry, but that's just the truth.
Tony Dungy and Omar Epps twin beg to differ.
Exceptions to the rule. If AA's were good coaches, there'd be more in the NFL/NCAA, simple as that.
Jan 11, 2010 12:55pm
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Jan 11, 2010 1:21 PM
@ Sleeper

Man, you almost as bad as the user MANAZE when it comes to your views on African Americans. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the rule, but the manner in which you are doing it is head scratching. Some would think, it’s statements like yours that keep blacks wanting to keep bringing up the race card, so how are you any better than them in that regard? There is no need to characterize an entire group as the same. Just like all whites aren’t racist, all blacks don’t make excuses and blame society for everything.
Jan 11, 2010 1:21pm
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Jan 11, 2010 1:30 PM
I have no problem with the Rooney rule in itself but I think it needs to be expanded to include some under the radar white coaches. I subscribe to the Dungy definition. A lot of the coaching hires in professional sports (NFL, basketball, baseball, etc.) are based on who you know. That's why we see the same retreads over and over again (see: Turner, Norv and Philips, Wade as prime examples).

My point is I don't think it is a black/white issue but more of guys hiring coaches they have worked with in the past or who have worked in a certain program in the past who is successful. If Bill Cowher's defensive coordinator was a black lesbian woman in a wheelchair named Gilda Goldstein; trust me, someone would hire her over a lesser known coach.
Jan 11, 2010 1:30pm
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Jan 11, 2010 1:54 PM
sleeper wrote:
derek bomar wrote:
sleeper wrote: I'll say the truth. Just as white people don't make good basketball players, for the most part, black people do not make great head coaches. Sorry, but that's just the truth.
Tony Dungy and Omar Epps twin beg to differ.
Exceptions to the rule. If AA's were good coaches, there'd be more in the NFL/NCAA, simple as that.
Jim Caldwell
Jan 11, 2010 1:54pm
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Gblock

Jan 11, 2010 2:04 PM
Eddie robinson
Jan 11, 2010 2:04pm
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Jan 11, 2010 2:05 PM
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Jan 11, 2010 2:05pm
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Gblock

Jan 11, 2010 2:09 PM
I remember reading data a few years back but as i remember it black head coaches had a higher regular season winning percentage than white coaches and a lower winning percentage in playoffs....i looked for a few minutes but couldnt any data on comparing winning percentages....
Jan 11, 2010 2:09pm
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Jan 11, 2010 2:13 PM
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Jan 11, 2010 2:13pm
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Jan 11, 2010 2:18 PM
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/28/opinion/op-zirin28
It's not that black coaches in the NFL don't win at the same rate as their white counterparts. The first African American head coach in the NFL was Art Shell, who was hired in 1990 by the then-Los Angeles Raiders. He and the seven other blacks who have coached in the NFL's modern era have a combined winning percentage of .546 and have made the playoffs in 29 of their 50 combined seasons. Dungy is the only NFL coach to have led a team to the playoffs seven consecutive years, and Smith last year took his Bears, predicted to finish last in the entire league, to the playoffs, a feat that won him Coach of the Year honors.
Jan 11, 2010 2:18pm
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Jan 11, 2010 2:21 PM
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Jan 11, 2010 2:21pm
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Jan 11, 2010 2:21 PM
...yea Sleeper is a fool
Jan 11, 2010 2:21pm
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Jan 11, 2010 2:25 PM
sleeper wrote:
derek bomar wrote:
sleeper wrote: I'll say the truth. Just as white people don't make good basketball players, for the most part, black people do not make great head coaches. Sorry, but that's just the truth.
Tony Dungy and Omar Epps twin beg to differ.
Exceptions to the rule. If AA's were good coaches, there'd be more in the NFL/NCAA, simple as that.
i don't think it boils down to race when it comes to being a good football mind. hell, i'm white and i'd be a terrible head coach. if you can coach, you can coach regardless of race

i agree the rooney rule seems kind of dumb.
Jan 11, 2010 2:25pm
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Jan 11, 2010 3:08 PM
I think they should require NBA teams to have at least 3 white players per team.

If they don't want to do it, they're racists. I mean, look at how few white players are in the league (compared to black). Racism HAS to be the reason.

Right?

Right?
Jan 11, 2010 3:08pm
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Jan 11, 2010 3:14 PM
Writerbuckeye wrote: I think they should require NBA teams to have at least 3 white players per team.

If they don't want to do it, they're racists. I mean, look at how few white players are in the league (compared to black). Racism HAS to be the reason.

Right?

Right?
Though it may be an extreme example this is an excellent one, though I'd alter it to "Every NBA team must tryout 3 white players on their summer league squad and give them a chance to make the team". I challenge any supporter of the Rooney Rule to challenge this proposition without contradicting your own cause. You can't.
Jan 11, 2010 3:14pm
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Jan 11, 2010 3:14 PM
Writerbuckeye wrote: I think they should require NBA teams to have at least 3 white players per team.

If they don't want to do it, they're racists. I mean, look at how few white players are in the league (compared to black). Racism HAS to be the reason.

Right?

Right?
umm...

this is going to sound 'racist' but by and large african americans are better at basketball than european americans at the highest levels...with some exceptions (like every rule there's an exception or two)... maybe its because of genetics or how they're brought up, but I don't think you'll find many people trying to argue the contrary...can you prove white coaches are better than black coaches? I don't think you can. I can line up Kevin Garnett vs. BJ Mullens, and who do you think is gonna win that battle? Just please name me one white guy you think should be on an NBA roster that isn't and whose spot on the team you think he should take.
Jan 11, 2010 3:14pm
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Jan 11, 2010 3:21 PM
derek bomar wrote:
Writerbuckeye wrote: I think they should require NBA teams to have at least 3 white players per team.

If they don't want to do it, they're racists. I mean, look at how few white players are in the league (compared to black). Racism HAS to be the reason.

Right?

Right?
umm...

this is going to sound 'racist' but by and large african americans are better at basketball than european americans at the highest levels...with some exceptions (like every rule there's an exception or two)... maybe its because of genetics or how they're brought up, but I don't think you'll find many people trying to argue the contrary...can you prove white coaches are better than black coaches? I don't think you can. I can line up Kevin Garnett vs. BJ Mullens, and who do you think is gonna win that battle? Just please name me one white guy you think should be on an NBA roster that isn't and whose spot on the team you think he should take.
Bill Walton, Larry Bird.
Jan 11, 2010 3:21pm
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Gblock

Jan 11, 2010 3:26 PM
the reason there are more black people in the nba is not because genetics its because more black kids play basketball....it doesnt cost a lot of money to play. same reason most baseball players are white...many blacks cant afford to play baseball which travel ball can cost thousands, let alone there arent many fields in innercities to play on. however there are plenty of hoops. also many white players might play soccer or lacrosse or hockey that blacks dont have access to. you dont have to be tall to play hoop or jucmp high...ie steve nash....and argentina and greece can play with any nba team and they have no blacks.
Jan 11, 2010 3:26pm