CenterBHSFan;1866930 wrote:The statues:

I don't think that these statues in various areas should be removed. I don't. A lot of people don't respect these people portrayed, a lot do. Regardless, it's a part of our history. We cannot erase parts of our history, they will always be there. I see it as something to remind all of us of what we removed ourselves from and what we never want to return to. If we are going to regard our history, we have to include all of it not just the pretty parts - speaking particularly in this context of visual reminders.

CenterBHSFan;1866930 wrote:The statues:

I don't think that these statues in various areas should be removed. I don't. A lot of people don't respect these people portrayed, a lot do. Regardless, it's a part of our history. We cannot erase parts of our history, they will always be there. I see it as something to remind all of us of what we removed ourselves from and what we never want to return to. If we are going to regard our history, we have to include all of it not just the pretty parts - speaking particularly in this context of visual reminders.

CenterBHSFan;1866930 wrote:The statues:

I don't think that these statues in various areas should be removed. I don't. A lot of people don't respect these people portrayed, a lot do. Regardless, it's a part of our history. We cannot erase parts of our history, they will always be there. I see it as something to remind all of us of what we removed ourselves from and what we never want to return to. If we are going to regard our history, we have to include all of it not just the pretty parts - speaking particularly in this context of visual reminders.

majorspark;1866937 wrote:Imagine if Trump turned away a ship full of muslim refugees and nearly a third ended up dead at the hands of the government they were fleeing. Or to inter American citizens against their will because they were of Middle eastern decent. Well there is an American president who did just that just with people of a different religion and origin. There is also a statue memorializing him in DC. I wonder when these leftist who supposedly abhore this sort of thing will demand his statue be removed.

ptown_trojans_1;1866932 wrote:I get that and that's fine if they were accurate representations of what happened. However, most of the statues were created during the 20th century as a reminder of Jim Crow and segregation. They were the glorification of the civil war, or the war of northern aggression as they call it. The statues warp the true sense of history and appear that nothing was wrong with them leaving the union and rebelling against the country. They glorify racism, rebellion, and slavery.

The Confederacy were traitors that do not deserve to be honored. They forfeited that when they rebelled against their country. As such, any statues that glorifies that rebellion in a public square is an front to those who fount to preserve the union and to fight against slavery and Jim Crow.

It is not erasing history, but setting it back in its proper context. The history will be not erased as we still have all the civil war battlefields, cemeteries, and history books. Move the statues to those battlefields, cemeteries, or private lands.

I work in Virginia and drive on Lee Highway and Jefferson Davis Highway. Why the hell are we honoring guys that rebelled against the Union? It is so dumb.

Belly35;1866941 wrote:Maybe was should remove and disband the Democratic Party for a accurate representations of their history of racism.

QuakerOats;1866946 wrote:More than 50 buildings along with the Robert C. Byrd Highway are named after former Senator Robert Byrd from West Virginia, a former KKK member. I assume every one of those buildings and highways are now undergoing the process of taking his name off those buildings and highways. Or, will this not occur because he was a democrat?

ptown_trojans_1;1866940 wrote:I stated earlier or in another thread, those statues are fine, as long as we add a proper context to them. For example, Woodrow Wilson was a great President, but a huge racist.
I would not be in favor of taking those down.

Automatik;1866912 wrote:Don't want to threadjack further, but Jason Whitlock's spot a few weeks ago Cowherd was dead on regarding why he doesn't have a job. Team's don't feel he's fully invested in being a football player. Not a good look when you play the most important position on the field. Combined w/ the unwanted attention he'll bring and regarding play he's meh...it's not surprising. I still think he'll get picked up though....lots of garbage at the QB position these days.

ptown_trojans_1;1866932 wrote:I get that and that's fine if they were accurate representations of what happened. However, most of the statues were created during the 20th century as a reminder of Jim Crow and segregation. They were the glorification of the civil war, or the war of northern aggression as they call it. The statues warp the true sense of history and appear that nothing was wrong with them leaving the union and rebelling against the country. They glorify racism, rebellion, and slavery.

The Confederacy were traitors that do not deserve to be honored. They forfeited that when they rebelled against their country. As such, any statues that glorifies that rebellion in a public square is an front to those who fount to preserve the union and to fight against slavery and Jim Crow.

It is not erasing history, but setting it back in its proper context. The history will be not erased as we still have all the civil war battlefields, cemeteries, and history books. Move the statues to those battlefields, cemeteries, or private lands.

I work in Virginia and drive on Lee Highway and Jefferson Davis Highway. Why the hell are we honoring guys that rebelled against the Union? It is so dumb.

ptown_trojans_1;1866942 wrote:That makes no sense....

ptown_trojans_1;1866932 wrote:I work in Virginia and drive on Lee Highway and Jefferson Davis Highway. Why the hell are we honoring guys that rebelled against the Union? It is so dumb.

ptown_trojans_1;1866932 wrote:But, for the Confederate statues: Those guys fought against the United States and should not be glorified or honored.

Automatik;1866976 wrote:lol...Michael Moore. I won't bother clicking a link involving that fat turd.

ptown_trojans_1;1866932 wrote: The Confederacy were traitors that do not deserve to be honored. They forfeited that when they rebelled against their country. As such, any statues that glorifies that rebellion in a public square is an front to those who fount to preserve the union and to fight against slavery and Jim Crow.

ptown_trojans_1;1866932 wrote: It is not erasing history, but setting it back in its proper context. The history will be not erased as we still have all the civil war battlefields, cemeteries, and history books. Move the statues to those battlefields, cemeteries, or private lands.

QuakerOats;1866946 wrote:More than 50 buildings along with the Robert C. Byrd Highway are named after former Senator Robert Byrd from West Virginia, a former KKK member. I assume every one of those buildings and highways are now undergoing the process of taking his name off those buildings and highways. Or, will this not occur because he was a democrat?

majorspark;1866964 wrote:Because we still saw them as brothers who went astray. Fellow countrymen gone astray that had to be brought back by force. Unlike most other civil wars in this world the rebel leaders were not executed or harshly treated when defeated. General Lee and many other confederate officers fought for the for the United States in the war in Mexico with honor.

The initial rebellion was in the deep south. Lincoln's calling on other states to raise arms against the deep south prompted other states to secede. There were constitutional concerns. A lot of loyal Union men wrestled with their decision. Imagine if the California secession movement were successful and Trump ordered arms to be taken up against them. I am a patriotic American who would fight and die for my country. But I would have a very hard time turning my gun on my fellow citizens. Many pro unionist found they could not do it. I do like your idea of adding context to some of the monuments.

It little historical context from the government of Virginia who ended up taking the brunt of the war.
http://www.nytimes.com/1861/04/22/news/gov-letcher-s-proclamation-his-reply-secretary-cameron-state-affairs-norfolk.html

CenterBHSFan;1866930 wrote:The statues:

I don't think that these statues in various areas should be removed. I don't. A lot of people don't respect these people portrayed, a lot do. Regardless, it's a part of our history. We cannot erase parts of our history, they will always be there. I see it as something to remind all of us of what we removed ourselves from and what we never want to return to. If we are going to regard our history, we have to include all of it not just the pretty parts - speaking particularly in this context of visual reminders.

isadore;1866982 wrote:at least Robert Byrd, apologized for joining the Klan, denounced it and during his later years in the Senate got 100% rating with the NAACP. Jefferson Davis went to his grave supporting the "Lost Cause" of the war fought to protect and extend slavery.