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Andre Dawson sole inductee to Baseball HOF

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Skyhook79

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Jan 7, 2010 11:54 AM
Ironman92 wrote: The spit was an incident that he more than made up for. He and Hirschbeck shook hands in April at a game the following season and Alomar isa big on raising funds for Hirschbeck's fund raiser for what his child died from.

Hirschbeck and Alomar are good friends.

Some baseball writers are idiots. The one on ESPN this morning had 10 possible nominations and he nominated Alomar, McGwire and Lee Smith.....that's it. Just like he randomly picks...and his reasons were horrible.
Thats all well and good but its a lot easier to apoligize and be remorseful 15 years later than he was at the time of the incident. He showed no remorse back then.
And the fact that Hirshbeck and Alomar are friends now tells me a lot more about Hirshbeck then Alomar.
Jan 7, 2010 11:54am
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Jan 7, 2010 12:59 PM
Skyhook79 wrote: Thats all well and good but its a lot easier to apoligize and be remorseful 15 years later than he was at the time of the incident. He showed no remorse back then.
And the fact that Hirshbeck and Alomar are friends now tells me a lot more about Hirshbeck then Alomar.
So that should keep him out of the HOF? Ever taken a look at Ty Cobb's antics?
Jan 7, 2010 12:59pm
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Jan 7, 2010 1:44 PM
darbypitcher22 wrote: Blyleven gets jobbed year after year...

its a shame. They need to take the voting out of the hands of sportswriters who have never played the game a day in their life at the pro level and put in the hands of baseball people(ex players, managers, GM's, etc.) who know what they're talking about
They have that system already. It's called the Veterans Committee. And for every 20 bad HOF selections, 19 of them are due to the VC.

I'd also venture to say that Bill James, who was a writer without a HOF vote, knows a hell of a lot more about baseball than....oh, pretty much any of "the baseball people" you refer to.
Jan 7, 2010 1:44pm
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Jan 7, 2010 2:13 PM
skyhook.....they were friends the very next season....Alomar began doing the fundraising that very next season...not an apology 15 years later.
Jan 7, 2010 2:13pm
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darbypitcher22

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Jan 8, 2010 9:46 AM
Bill James is a smart guy that can manipulate numbers. Doesn't mean he knows shit about sitting on the bench and having to manage and make decisions throughout the course of one
Jan 8, 2010 9:46am
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Jan 8, 2010 9:51 AM
darbypitcher22 wrote: Bill James is a smart guy that can manipulate numbers. Doesn't mean he knows shit about sitting on the bench and having to manage and make decisions throughout the course of one
Let's not try to make it rocket science, it's really not that hard. It's also a fallacy that the more success someone has had in a sport, the more they know about it. My lack of success in baseball wasn't due to a lack of understanding, it was a lack of ability to hit the damn ball.
Jan 8, 2010 9:51am
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darbypitcher22

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Jan 8, 2010 11:59 AM
Its a bit tougher than "hey, you, go run or you, go pinch hit." there's a lot more involved in than you'd think
Jan 8, 2010 11:59am
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Jan 8, 2010 12:08 PM
If we're going to keep Alomar out of the HoF because of the spit incident, should probably get Ty Cobb out as well, from all accounts, he was a genuinely terrible human being.
Jan 8, 2010 12:08pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Jan 8, 2010 1:20 PM
darbypitcher22 wrote: Its a bit tougher than "hey, you, go run or you, go pinch hit." there's a lot more involved in than you'd think
I wasn't trying to minimize it, I was just trying to say that having played or managed the game at the top level doesn't magically make one more knowedgeable than everyone who hasn't.

Some of my best coaches never saw a playing field. Some baseball writers know more about the game than a lot of current and former major league managers.
Jan 8, 2010 1:20pm
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Jan 9, 2010 1:57 AM
darbypitcher22 wrote: Bill James is a smart guy that can manipulate numbers. Doesn't mean he knows shit about sitting on the bench and having to manage and make decisions throughout the course of one
Read "Summer of '49" sometime. It's basically a bunch of slap-dash stories being told from the memories of aging ballplayers, many of whom had contemporaries serve on the Veterans Committee. The basic factual errors are quite numerous.

Second, have you ever heard the phrase "missing the forest for the trees"?
darbypitcher22 wrote: Its a bit tougher than "hey, you, go run or you, go pinch hit." there's a lot more involved in than you'd think
I've seen Grady Little, Dusty Baker, and John McNamara manage important playoff games. Looks like there's really not that much that goes into it.
Jan 9, 2010 1:57am
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Jan 9, 2010 11:17 AM
Who the heck voted for Pat Hentgen haha?

Alomar and Larkin should have been in right away. Not sure about Blyleven, didn't get to watch him play, nor do I know his stats.

The Hall of Fame voting in baseball is a joke though
Jan 9, 2010 11:17am
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darbypitcher22

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Jan 9, 2010 12:34 PM
who the heck voted for Pat Hentgen, no, who the hell voted for David Segui?
Jan 9, 2010 12:34pm
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Jan 9, 2010 2:09 PM
darbypitcher22 wrote: who the heck voted for Pat Hentgen, no, who the hell voted for David Segui?
Probably this guy.

Jan 9, 2010 2:09pm