isadore;1816813 wrote:gosh a ruddies Larry Nichols, a disgruntled Arkansas state employee, who was fired by Clinton for ripping off the state, then lying about it. His subsequent attempt to sue over his dismissal failed. class guy

O-Trap;1816674 wrote:Conscience is typically why people stick to their convictions.

Unlike Sanders.

majorspark;1816844 wrote:Although I disagreed with Bernie's political ideology, initially I did have respect for him. He held enough popular support in the democrat party to stand up to the DNC but he bowed his knee and endorsed the candidate that is the epitome of what he railed against.

isadore;1816813 wrote:gosh a ruddies Larry Nichols, a disgruntled Arkansas state employee, who was fired by Clinton for ripping off the state, then lying about it. His subsequent attempt to sue over his dismissal failed. class guy

like_that;1816855 wrote:I initially didn't mind Bernie. Out of all the candidates I felt he was the most genuine, even though I disagreed with all of his shitty ideology. Unfortunately he proved he was a typical sell out politician and it brings the lulz to see Bernie supporters defend him because trump! Bernie would have sold out regardless of who the GOP candidate was and his supporters will repeat the same bullshit. A big reason why modern day politics sucks ass. Nobody is capable of criticizing their own party or the people they support. They treat politics like sports fanhood.

I think the majority of supporters on both sides are legitimately more concerned about "defeating" the other side than actually be concerned about the direction of this country. Just take a look at your facebook or twitter feed after the election and see the amount of gloating as if only one side of the country will be supported by the new president. Pretty sad and pathetic this is what our country has come down to, and it has only gotten worse with every election since Bush/Gore.

isadore;1816814 wrote:putting the best interest of the country above personal pique, that is conscience.

majorspark;1816844 wrote:Although I disagreed with Bernie's political ideology, initially I did have respect for him. He held enough popular support in the democrat party to stand up to the DNC but he bowed his knee and endorsed the candidate that is the epitome of what he railed against.

isadore;1816836 wrote:gosh a ruddies easily. 1 I don't accept your description of Mrs. Clinton

Heretic;1816901 wrote:I get that impression all the time, both on social media and this site. Hell, the creation of this thread is a great example of that, especially when you take into consideration that after Cruz decided to walk back earlier comments and support Trump, QQ was proclaiming that putting the country above his personal interests was virtuous (Trump vs. Clinton thread, post #1528). Hmmm, praising one guy for attempting to create the illusion of a party standing together while saying that Bernie should splinter off. Looks like someone's main interest is fabricating a scenario where the guy he's backing has a legit shot!

CenterBHSFan;1816969 wrote:Why don't you?

QuakerOats;1816896 wrote:Nearly rubbed out by the Clinton machine as the Clinton's campaign of personal destruction left few standing. Amazing you besmirch the victims of their ruthless and criminal activities. One of the few who refuse to be silenced by the tyrannical tactics of the powerful. We used to call them patriots. You are a complete moron.

O-Trap;1816931 wrote:According to his primary campaign, Clinton represents everything that is wrong with Washington.

There's no way not to backtrack and still campaign for her. It's the typical hypocrisy of nominees

isadore;1817193 wrote:His criticism of Clinton was a matter of degree found in every primary, he finds Trump beyond the pale of acceptable for a President of America who Sanders during his primary campaign he described as a "nutcase." http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274976-sanders-trump-is-a-nutcase

O-Trap;1817293 wrote:In April of this year, he said, and I quote, "I don't believe [Clinton] is qualified to be president."

That's more than a degree of ideals. Those words are centered on the dichotomy of whether or not someone at least passes the minimum requirements to be qualified to be president.

Moreover, his entire platform, the very core of his message, was that there was a fundamental problem with the stranglehold the establishment, which is bought by Wall Street, has on the country. He notably pointed out that she was largely funded by that same Wall Street.

Sanders claimed that Clinton, like Trump and most of the other Republican candidates, was a proponent of the machine that is paid for by large corporations and run by corrupt politicians.

So, either his message then was a lie or he has abandoned his principles. Not his degree of distinction.

O-Trap;1817293 wrote:In April of this year, he said, and I quote, "I don't believe [Clinton] is qualified to be president."

That's more than a degree of ideals. Those words are centered on the dichotomy of whether or not someone at least passes the minimum requirements to be qualified to be president.

Moreover, his entire platform, the very core of his message, was that there was a fundamental problem with the stranglehold the establishment, which is bought by Wall Street, has on the country. He notably pointed out that she was largely funded by that same Wall Street.

Sanders claimed that Clinton, like Trump and most of the other Republican candidates, was a proponent of the machine that is paid for by large corporations and run by corrupt politicians.

So, either his message then was a lie or he has abandoned his principles. Not his degree of distinction.

O-Trap;1817293 wrote:In April of this year, he said, and I quote, "I don't believe [Clinton] is qualified to be president."

That's more than a degree of ideals. Those words are centered on the dichotomy of whether or not someone at least passes the minimum requirements to be qualified to be president.

Moreover, his entire platform, the very core of his message, was that there was a fundamental problem with the stranglehold the establishment, which is bought by Wall Street, has on the country. He notably pointed out that she was largely funded by that same Wall Street.

Sanders claimed that Clinton, like Trump and most of the other Republican candidates, was a proponent of the machine that is paid for by large corporations and run by corrupt politicians.

So, either his message then was a lie or he has abandoned his principles. Not his degree of distinction.

like_that;1817298 wrote:At this point anyone that can't see Bernie is a sell out partisan coward is either delusional or in complete denial after being a hardcore supporter.

isadore;1817188 wrote:gosh a ruddies as has been proven Nichols is a liar who cheated the state of Arkansas.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1817308 wrote:yes.. in the black and white hot taek world.. Bernie is a sellout.

In the real gray nuanced world, you both couldn't be any more wrong.
Not only did Bernie push Hillary left nearly 100%, the opposite, Donald Fucking Trump, who she happens to be running against, was pushed further right 100%. So in your opinion, Bernie should take his supporters (who happen to be a huge number) and pull a Ralph Nader and give Trump the election .. to .. you know.. stand up for da convictionsZzzzz!!!! That would show America! We'll take everything we stood for, gay rights, immigration reform, social justice reform, Affiordable college.. womens right.. you know.. everything Donald Trump is the opposite on..and we'll piss it out the window by letting the polar opposite win cuz muh feelz r hurtz!!! and I gotz da convictionzzzz!!! grow the fuck up lol It's larger than Bernie Sanders. Its larger than Hillary Clinton. It's a platform you're pushing that you're not going to throw away on the worst candidate to ever run for office, and give him the election. Get real.

QuakerOats;1817337 wrote:Funny. It is the Clinton who have lied and cheated their way to the top. You too, are a victim, you just cannot grasp it yet.

like_that;1817342 wrote:Lol mad because your boy sold out. Thanks for proving my point, in complete denial. There are plenty of GOP members (and ex candidates) that despise Hillary and they still didn't sell out to endorse trump. Bernie got worked that entire primary by the DNC and Clinton machine, but then turned his back on his supporters to endorse her. What he did is a step below what Cruz did by endorsing trump. Just completely pathetic. I have no reason to believe he wouldn't have done the same thing if the GOP threw out another candidate, so I don't buy this "because Trump!" bullshit. The dude has been a politician his entire life, he knows the game and he worked every supporter. Enjoy continually supporting and defending somebody who worked you up only to ditch you when he realized he wasn't going to get the votes. In other words he is just another politician. Take your own advice and grow the fuck up.

like_that;1817342 wrote:Lol mad because your boy sold out. Thanks for proving my point, in complete denial. There are plenty of GOP members (and ex candidates) that despise Hillary and they still didn't sell out to endorse trump. Bernie got worked that entire primary by the DNC and Clinton machine, but then turned his back on his supporters to endorse her. What he did is a step below what Cruz did by endorsing trump. Just completely pathetic. I have no reason to believe he wouldn't have done the same thing if the GOP threw out another candidate, so I don't buy this "because Trump!" bullshit. The dude has been a politician his entire life, he knows the game and he worked every supporter. Enjoy continually supporting and defending somebody who worked you up only to ditch you when he realized he wasn't going to get the votes. In other words he is just another politician. Take your own advice and grow the fuck up.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1817378 wrote:here's what your problem and the majority of Americas problem is...You're mistaken in the belief that a democracy is about voting for a candidate that meets your own and entire stringent requirements and not about a candidate who can get a job done the represent your ideas as closely as possible. Bernie fit that bill better than Hillary for me. Hillary fits that bill better than Trump for me. One of those 2 are going to win. That's not up for debate. One of those two will be your next president... So you make the decision off of that knowledge. Is Hillary a bad candidate.. of course. Is she any different than Joe Biden or Barack Obama or George Bush or Ted Cruz or Donald Trump or Mitt Romney..or any other politician.. I highly doubt it. The problem is people are so self absorbed in want what they want and want a perfect candidate who will represent them to the fullest. People want perfection, and if they don't have it, they'll create a false equivalence of bad. So .. yeah.. Bernie represented me and what I wanted as a politician. I voted for him. He's out now. Hillary is better than Trump in those regards. I'm voting for her. Me voting for her doesn't claim shes a perfect candidate. Bernie supporting her doesn't claim shes a good candidate.. she's just a lot better than the alternative.

like_that;1817379 wrote:And Bernie completely flipped on that bill, while you still support him, but please tell us more about what's wrong with us and America. I can understand you supporting Hillary, but lol at taking Bernie's word for what it is after he was given so many chances NOT to sell out and be a typical politician. Whatever let's you sleep at night I suppose.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1817383 wrote:Well.. as I said.. it's bigger than Bernie or Hillary. And most people can't see that. You see it as selling out. I see it as electing someone who gives you the best shot to push your platform. Hillary fit that bill for him. The Donald certainly didn't.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1817383 wrote:Well.. as I said.. it's bigger than Bernie or Hillary. And most people can't see that. You see it as selling out. I see it as electing someone who gives you the best shot to push your platform. Hillary fit that bill for him. The Donald certainly didn't.