now we are getting somewhere. its not rocket science is it? tournaments also run better and more efficient then the 80's quit over charging everyone and make it a better deal for the family!

Mandate state duals, yes first rounds are still gonna be ugly.
regional champ are most likely the dual champ of the would be occ.
this frees all thursday night events so the duals can remain on weds. 2 rounds or 4 then semis and finals as is maybe add double elem.
have a OCC division dual tournament on one day. with the new alignment of six teams all can fit excpet the cardinal, they can figure that out (o:
Darby district is individual OCC pretty much.
why have both occ and state duals if both are pointless majority of the time?
you could even tweak state duals to top 16 teams voted by coaches. pointless to have a team with 10 kids or less. or 10 freshman or less. i kinda like how they did it in the past but like the seniors to get that experience.

spend the rest of your points on big tourneys like wrestling is suppose to be. dual tournaments 5-10 matches on weekends. duals are only exciting if both teams are full and competitive or equal in size/strength. those should be scheduled accordingly very similar to what graham does. with all the new high schools in central ohio its gonna be another dozen years before we can have good solid competitive duals like the occ.

i see only one division that will be competitive in wrestling, especially factoring in this years graduates.

OCC realignment
The Ohio Capital Conference’s realignment plan for 2016-17 through 2019-20, with each school’s projected enrollment rank in parentheses:
Ohio Division
Gahanna (1), Grove City (10), Lancaster (8), Pickerington Central (18), Pickerington North (18), Reynoldsburg (3)
Buckeye Division
Olentangy (4), Olentangy Liberty (2), Olentangy Orange (5), Westerville Central (13), Westerville North (26), Westerville South (23)
Cardinal Division
Delaware (14), Dublin Jerome (24), Dublin Scioto (28), Hilliard Bradley (20), Hilliard Darby (22), Thomas Worthington (17), Worthington Kilbourne (30)
Central Division
Central Crossing (25), Dublin Coffman (9), Hilliard Davidson (16), Marysville (15), Upper Arlington (7), Westland (11)
Capital Division
Big Walnut (31), Canal Winchester (27), Franklin Heights (29), Groveport (12), New Albany (21), Newark (6)


im not trying to get you guys all flustered I am just trying to get thinking minds for a logical solution for central ohio. In my eyes, the OCC is doing more harm then good for the central ohio teams. academically on a thursday night, its pointless 3/4 of the time for these kids to be making weight when they can be resting doing homework waiting for the weekend tournament to come up!

: thumbup: Thank you. I am with you 100% on that. Those pool style tournaments are the worst. I would like them to go back to bracket style on the weekends and have occ dual on Thursday nights inside your occ or a one day occ dual tourney. In 1996 the occ capital did a one day occ dual and it went great and for whatever reason the next year we went back to just straight up duals. Some other things need to be done as well to make wrestling more fun for the fans and the wrestlers. They need to do all duals like Mount Vernon did them back in the 90s. That was fun wrestling.

For the record I like the OCC going to single duals opposed to 2x4s they take too long on a weeknight.

1st- OHSAA State duals is not going to concern themselves with a league schedule, if you want to change something it will have to be done at a local level. 2nd OCC coaches can't agree on something as a group every time something gets brought up you have the following 4-5 groups, one group likes the duals, one group wants to have a 1 day dual tournament, one group wants to have a one day individual tournament, one group wants to have a 32 team All OCC tournament.

From the OCC admin they aren't going to change anything if the coaches can't agree on something.

From where I sit as the coach at Marysville, I like the State duals, I like our league duals. Yeah I wish there was a difference in timing but we've wrestled in them every year and I can't say that it hurt our performance at the end of the season.

You want to get a change it's going to have to start with the OCC coaches and you are going to have to get them to unanimously agree to one proposal to have any chance of changing the OCC's position

I'm not sure too many coaches actually want a 32-man OCC tournament. I could be wrong on that though. (What a huge undertaking!?)

cruiser_96;1786390 wrote:I'm not sure too many coaches actually want a 32-man OCC tournament. I could be wrong on that though. (What a huge undertaking!?)

I thought you were the one with the blueprint for this tournament....:RpS_bored:

Oh, I do have the blueprint, but it's labeled "The Tournament Nobody Wants".

Logistical nightmare! It'd take 8-10 mats, plus table workers, plus officials - what about concession stands? Who works those. Who covers the gate? MADNESS!!!!!!!!!

I used to think it would be a swell couple days of wrestling...until I actually ran a tournament. THIRTY-TWO TEAMS!!!!!!!!! We'd have to rent out The Schott!

And where are the mats coming from??? How will they arrive to the gym floor? Who is policing this thing???

It would take five years just to figure something out concerning this tournament and by that time, the OCC will have reconfigured three times, lost four teams, added three new ones and made the whole planning period null-and-void!

Great moogally googally.

cruiser_96;1786398 wrote:Oh, I do have the blueprint, but it's labeled "The Tournament Nobody Wants".

Logistical nightmare! It'd take 8-10 mats, plus table workers, plus officials - what about concession stands? Who works those. Who covers the gate? MADNESS!!!!!!!!!

I used to think it would be a swell couple days of wrestling...until I actually ran a tournament. THIRTY-TWO TEAMS!!!!!!!!! We'd have to rent out The Schott!

And where are the mats coming from??? How will they arrive to the gym floor? Who is policing this thing???

It would take five years just to figure something out concerning this tournament and by that time, the OCC will have reconfigured three times, lost four teams, added three new ones and made the whole planning period null-and-void!

Great moogally googally.

State fair grounds, have a rotating basis as to who supplies the mats for that given year. Each team supplies at least 1 table worker and 1 concession worker.

The gate and concessions can be split evenly amongst the teams, that way we can all have enough gas money to transport our mats back to school.

As far as who runs it, either the wrestling rep of the OCC does it or have a designated appointee step up and do it.

Those are some things I've experienced in smaller conferences that tend to help.

ksig489;1785824 wrote:The OHSAA does NOT mandate this. You can have a 16 point schedule that is all tournaments. You are not required to put duals/tris on your schedule..

OK, you are correct in that they don't technically "mandate" duals, but they do if you want to wrestle a 20 point schedule. Which most do. I'm not aware of any teams wrestling only a 16 point all-tournament schedule.

Tony Mead;1786012 wrote: im not trying to get you guys all flustered I am just trying to get thinking minds for a logical solution for central ohio.

I don't think you're "flustering" anyone. Personally, I've lost track of what precisely the Central Ohio problem is that endeavoring to find a "solution" to?

monarchpride;1786386 wrote: From the OCC admin they aren't going to change anything if the coaches can't agree on something.

^^ This.

Just throwing this out there for discussion purposes, what if each division had choice to do their own thing? Lets say the Cardinal division, having 7 teams decided to do a 1 day individual tournament to determine their league champ rather than spending 5-7 points on duals/tris? Or lets say the Capital division decided on 2x4s because their rosters aren't full enough to warrant a tournament but don't want to spend 5 points on individual duals, or have Franklin Heights travel to Big Walnut on a Thursday for a dual that may only last 30 minutes?

I'm not advocating one way over another, just offering a different opinion.

The duals will never go away. The ADs will not let that happen. We had a 1 day dual tournament 8 years ago, and it was a really fun tourney, but the conference lost money, and that was that. The issue with the coaches, and I am included on this gripe, is that when we all get together there are about 10 different conversations going with 10 different ideas, so agreement may never be reached.

I like the duals. They are good for the schools involved, the parents love them, and the kids get into them. And lets be real honest, aside from 3-4 schools, the complaint about the state duals and too many matches does not really apply. I have a lot of respect for the Marysvilles, Delawares, and Coffmans of the world who put their best lineup on the mat in every league dual, go out and do the same in the state duals, and then excel in the post season without a batted eye! Kudos!

I think the league duals are good....I have seen some very fun and exciting duals in the past few years and I always enjoy them, they are good for the school's and for promoting wrestling. The coaches just need to properly calculate the pts so that the wrestlers can get a maximum number of matches from tournaments.

It stinks when coaches mis-calculate on point totals and the they end the year with 1 or 2 pts left un-used and don’t even realize it or don’t care. jmo

huntergreen26;1786611 wrote:. The issue with the coaches, and I am included on this gripe, is that when we all get together there are about 10 different conversations going with 10 different ideas, so agreement may never be reached.

I like the duals. They are good for the schools involved, the parents love them, and the kids get into them. And lets be real honest, aside from 3-4 schools, the complaint about the state duals and too many matches does not really apply. I have a lot of respect for the Marysvilles, Delawares, and Coffmans of the world who put their best lineup on the mat in every league dual, go out and do the same in the state duals, and then excel in the post season without a batted eye! Kudos!

Hunter -- Totally agree. And it is not just the coaches. Look at this board. Full of passionate fans who can't agree. It is sort of ironic that when the discussion of what is "wrong" with wrestling/how to grow the sport, the #1 and #2 recommendations are "more duals" and "ditch the singlet". Then the very first direction this thread took was anti-duals. :shake my head: emoji + :face palm: emoji.

As for the gripes about how All-OCC is selected, I think it is far preferable the way wrestling does it than other sports. In football, for instance, the head coach gets to name his own players and the number he gets to appoint is based upon team victories. Sucks for you if you are very good player on a losing team. Also means you could end up with 3 or 4 quarterbacks on first team and no right guards.

I think 4 victories at you primary weight is an extremely low bar and one that is very hard to complain about. A kid could wrestle 4 matches at 126, a match at 120, and 3 matches at 132 and still qualify. How can anyone complain about that? If a kid did 3 at one weight and 3 at another and didn't wrestle a 7th because he sat out for points, whose fault is that?

Mr. Mead, are you underestimating the OLib-Westerville North matchup over the next few years? They have a lot of young studs and will be competitive.

Warrior123;1788361 wrote:Mr. Mead, are you underestimating the OLib-Westerville North matchup over the next few years? They have a lot of young studs and will be competitive.

nope its the only one I am looking forward to. Just went from looking forward to 3-4 to looking forward to 1. Not great for OCC wrestling IMO. May work out in other sports I am sure. also may work out 5 years down the road right when they decide to realign again (o: