BoatShoes;1778854 wrote:Trump is more liberal than Clinton on damn near everything save immigration so this should upset you lol.

Who knew all it takes to get GOP voters to support liberal priorities is Donald Trump.

QuakerOats;1778890 wrote:Hilarious.

HitsRus;1778889 wrote:^^^6I remember in the early days of the campaign, people advancing the conspiracy theory that Trump was a Clinton plant designed to split the party. Maybe there is some credence to that, because he seems more and more like the ace in the hole for the Clintons. Very possible that the Republicans wrest back control of the party, only to see Trump go 3rd party.

BoatShoes;1778854 wrote:Trump is more liberal than Clinton on damn near everything save immigration so this should upset you lol.

Who knew all it takes to get GOP voters to support liberal priorities is Donald Trump.

BoatShoes;1778910 wrote:Liberals have been doing it wrong for decades. All you have to do is get a liberal who is not politically correct and who stands up to the,media into a republican primary and Quackker and co. will vote for them out of rabid tribalistic disdain for the democrat party.

Trump v. Hillary = liberalism wins - handed on a silver platter by staunch gop voters no less because they are impressed by Trump's bluster. Beautiful.

ptown_trojans_1;1778925 wrote:Yeah, saying Trump is more liberal than Hilliary is a hell of a stretch.
Trump is not a liberal or conservative, he is just Trump, a mesh of all them. We know he is not a conservative, the NRO killed him on it.

I do have one observation one Trump, which I hope the R's on here can square.
Trump's main thesis is he is the savior to make America great again. Only he can work to lead and make us great again.
Now, I heard that before...in 2008 with Obama. He used the same broad rhetoric about changing Washington, making us great, turning us away from the previous eight years.
What is the difference between Obama wanting to do things with executive power and Trump saying pretty much the same thing?
Why is it ok for the R's to have a strong armed guy that he is the only one that can do things, and yet it was not ok with Obama?

Or, are you betting more that Trump will find a way to work with Congress where Obama has not been able to?
I'm trying to square the two.
To me, Trump seems to be reaching for the same Executive power that R's destroy Obama on.

jmog;1778919 wrote:As much as I can't stand Trump at all, this is not even close to being true.

Now, was Trump more liberal than he currently is 5-10 years ago? Obviously yes, now, he is either flipping because he really has changed his views, or he is flipping to screw with the process (remember, Reagan was a D before he was an R too).

There is no way for anyone who knows a dang thing about politics to say with a straight face that right now, Trump is more liberal than Hillary.

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/40-70/Hillary-Clinton-vs-Donald-Trump

Seriously BS, do you even believe half the crap you put out sometimes or is it just to get people like QO to QQ?

ptown_trojans_1;1778925 wrote:Yeah, saying Trump is more liberal than Hilliary is a hell of a stretch.
Trump is not a liberal or conservative, he is just Trump, a mesh of all them. We know he is not a conservative, the NRO killed him on it.

I do have one observation one Trump, which I hope the R's on here can square.
Trump's main thesis is he is the savior to make America great again. Only he can work to lead and make us great again.
Now, I heard that before...in 2008 with Obama. He used the same broad rhetoric about changing Washington, making us great, turning us away from the previous eight years.
What is the difference between Obama wanting to do things with executive power and Trump saying pretty much the same thing?
Why is it ok for the R's to have a strong armed guy that he is the only one that can do things, and yet it was not ok with Obama?

Or, are you betting more that Trump will find a way to work with Congress where Obama has not been able to?
I'm trying to square the two.
To me, Trump seems to be reaching for the same Executive power that R's destroy Obama on.

BoatShoes;1778934 wrote:

His professed positions in any case save his budget exploding tax cuts and his immigration stance are more liberal than Hillary's in a number of areas.

Namely, he agrees with Bernie on Single payer and said as much during the first debate.

He opposes foreign intervention in almost all cases where Hillary supports foreign intervention e.g. libya, syria, Iraq.

He is a trade protectionist opposing the TPP and NAFTA like Bernie whereas Hillary supports the TPP and NAFTA and is generally supportive of free trade.

He is not agaonst gay marriage nor is her seriously against abortion...he has previously supported Partial Birth Abortion openly.

He has supported the elimination of income tax on individuals earning below 50k but increasing it on the very wealthy...not exactly standard liberal methodology but supportive of more wealth redistribution nevertheless.

Why do you think Romney style establishment Republicans are warming to Clinton??? Because she is more in favor of the establishment conservative worldview than Trump.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a vote for Trump is a vote for old school union protectionist economic liberalism and social New York Values liberalism. Please proceed.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778938 wrote:http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

come on dude lol

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778938 wrote:http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

come on dude lol

SportsAndLady;1778940 wrote:Can't believe BS posted that picture. I've probably read 100 times not to believe that picture as its been proven false over and over again lol wow

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778938 wrote:http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

come on dude lol

SportsAndLady;1778940 wrote:Can't believe BS posted that picture. I've probably read 100 times not to believe that picture as its been proven false over and over again lol wow

BoatShoes;1778934 wrote:

His professed positions in any case save his budget exploding tax cuts and his immigration stance are more liberal than Hillary's in a number of areas.

Namely, he agrees with Bernie on Single payer and said as much during the first debate.

He opposes foreign intervention in almost all cases where Hillary supports foreign intervention e.g. libya, syria, Iraq.

He is a trade protectionist opposing the TPP and NAFTA like Bernie whereas Hillary supports the TPP and NAFTA and is generally supportive of free trade.

He is not agaonst gay marriage nor is her seriously against abortion...he has previously supported Partial Birth Abortion openly.

He has supported the elimination of income tax on individuals earning below 50k but increasing it on the very wealthy...not exactly standard liberal methodology but supportive of more wealth redistribution nevertheless.

Why do you think Romney style establishment Republicans are warming to Clinton??? Because she is more in favor of the establishment conservative worldview than Trump.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a vote for Trump is a vote for old school union protectionist economic liberalism and social New York Values liberalism. Please proceed.

Heretic;1778941 wrote:

BoatShoes;1778934 wrote:

His professed positions in any case save his budget exploding tax cuts and his immigration stance are more liberal than Hillary's in a number of areas.

Namely, he agrees with Bernie on Single payer and said as much during the first debate.

He opposes foreign intervention in almost all cases where Hillary supports foreign intervention e.g. libya, syria, Iraq.

He is a trade protectionist opposing the TPP and NAFTA like Bernie whereas Hillary supports the TPP and NAFTA and is generally supportive of free trade.

He is not agaonst gay marriage nor is her seriously against abortion...he has previously supported Partial Birth Abortion openly.

He has supported the elimination of income tax on individuals earning below 50k but increasing it on the very wealthy...not exactly standard liberal methodology but supportive of more wealth redistribution nevertheless.

Why do you think Romney style establishment Republicans are warming to Clinton??? Because she is more in favor of the establishment conservative worldview than Trump.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a vote for Trump is a vote for old school union protectionist economic liberalism and social New York Values liberalism. Please proceed.

like_that;1778946 wrote:Not a trump fan, but congrats on posting a meme that is 100% false. http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

You never struck me as somebody who would just the lowest common denominator on social media. Congrats on thinking everything on the internet must be true!

jmog;1778949 wrote:Come on BS, I know you typically just copy/paste from some liberal websites complete with graphs and such to look smart, but come on...even your liberal buddies are calling you out on this one!

BoatShoes;1778951 wrote:My fake Trump quote was a fail.

In any case I stand by my assertion that if we are to take the totality of Trump's current professed positions at face value, he is more "liberal" on the issues of trade, foreign affairs, economic intervention in the economy and healthcare than Hillary.

He is not more liberal on most social issues because she has gone all in for the SJW vote but he is certainly more so than any recent Republican nominee.

He is hardcore protectionist on immigration and this is a view shared by both the traditional blue collar conservatives and blue collar union libs.

Think Hillary is scum? Fine...but Trump is not a better option if you are a traditional conservative who supports supply-side tax policy, market-based healthcare, free trade and American leadership in foreign affairs IMHO.