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Apr 6, 2016 8:22 PM
Con_Alma;1790692 wrote:Yes. In that scenario one life shouldn't be determined to be not more valuable than the other.
Lol god you suck. WAKE UP
Apr 6, 2016 8:22pm
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Apr 7, 2016 6:51 AM
Wolves of Babylon;1790694 wrote:You would let your wife die if she were at risk of dying by being pregnant?

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You would let your child be murdered?
It's a sad hypothetical...ugly in fact.

I am not saying which life has more value. I dont know how you can.
Apr 7, 2016 6:51am
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Apr 7, 2016 6:52 AM
superman;1790696 wrote:Consider the source. Con Alma thinks war is the answer. Didn't matter what the question is. He's an Internet cowboy
Sadly sometimes war is necessary. I just hope we can make it as rare as possible.
Apr 7, 2016 6:52am
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Apr 7, 2016 6:55 AM
Con_Alma;1790772 wrote:Sadly sometimes war is necessary. I just hope we can make it as rare as possible.
You advocate for it more than anyone I've ever encountered on a message board.
Apr 7, 2016 6:55am
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Apr 7, 2016 7:43 AM
That is a very different statement than your previous one. At least it helps me understand your prior opinion. I appreciate the clarification.
Apr 7, 2016 7:43am
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Apr 7, 2016 9:12 AM
Con_Alma;1790778 wrote:That is a very different statement than your previous one. At least it helps me understand your prior opinion. I appreciate the clarification.
You're welcome. Sorry for any confusion.
Apr 7, 2016 9:12am
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Apr 7, 2016 10:10 AM
Con_Alma;1790771 wrote:You would let your child be murdered?
It's a sad hypothetical...ugly in fact.

I am not saying which life has more value. I dont know how you can.
You value the healthy and safety of an actual living thing rather than the health and safety of a potential living thing.

Logic isn't hard.
Apr 7, 2016 10:10am
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Apr 7, 2016 10:13 AM
sleeper;1790794 wrote:You value the healthy and safety of an actual living thing rather than the health and safety of a potential living thing.

Logic isn't hard.
We disagree on how you are applying the definition of living as it relates to life.
Apr 7, 2016 10:13am
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Apr 7, 2016 10:15 AM
Con_Alma;1790795 wrote:We disagree on how you are applying the definition of living as it relates to life.
We sure do. Mine is rooted in reality; yours is rooted in some fiction book that people made up centuries ago so was and is now still extracting monetary value and influence over delusional people.

I'll take the former any day of the week but that's just me.
Apr 7, 2016 10:15am
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Apr 7, 2016 10:19 AM
No...I think you're mistake with regards to the basis of our disagreement. I'm sensing you believe mine comes from a biblical definition. If that's the case your assumptions are leading you incorrectly as you evaluate my position.
Apr 7, 2016 10:19am
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Apr 7, 2016 11:01 AM
Wolves of Babylon;1790690 wrote:Is there anyone against abortion if mothers life is on the line?

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I would be heartbroken either way to be quite honest, and while it would kill me inside to have to do it, yes, my wife's life would be more "important" to me at that time than the baby. I guess it also depends on how far along. If the pregnancy was 9 months along my wife and I would have a serious discussion, and knowing her SHE would choose to take the risk. If it was just say 5 weeks along we probably would have a much easier "discussion".

My 'human' beliefs as a husband I guess would overshadow my Christian beliefs that all innocent life is precious. I am not saying I am "right", I am saying that's how I believe I would feel.

What's weird, and I honestly can't explain why, once you, as a parent, have met/partially raised that child it is backwards. I would gladly give up my life for my child's and so would my wife if it came down to it.
Apr 7, 2016 11:01am
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Apr 7, 2016 11:03 AM
That's a very understandable view jmog.
Apr 7, 2016 11:03am
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Apr 7, 2016 11:12 AM
jmog;1790811 wrote:I would be heartbroken either way to be quite honest, and while it would kill me inside to have to do it, yes, my wife's life would be more "important" to me at that time than the baby. I guess it also depends on how far along. If the pregnancy was 9 months along my wife and I would have a serious discussion, and knowing her SHE would choose to take the risk. If it was just say 5 weeks along we probably would have a much easier "discussion".

My 'human' beliefs as a husband I guess would overshadow my Christian beliefs that all innocent life is precious. I am not saying I am "right", I am saying that's how I believe I would feel.

What's weird, and I honestly can't explain why, once you, as a parent, have met/partially raised that child it is backwards. I would gladly give up my life for my child's and so would my wife if it came down to it.

Good points; I concur.
Apr 7, 2016 11:12am
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Apr 7, 2016 11:45 AM
jmog;1790811 wrote:I would be heartbroken either way to be quite honest, and while it would kill me inside to have to do it, yes, my wife's life would be more "important" to me at that time than the baby. I guess it also depends on how far along. If the pregnancy was 9 months along my wife and I would have a serious discussion, and knowing her SHE would choose to take the risk. If it was just say 5 weeks along we probably would have a much easier "discussion".

My 'human' beliefs as a husband I guess would overshadow my Christian beliefs that all innocent life is precious. I am not saying I am "right", I am saying that's how I believe I would feel.

What's weird, and I honestly can't explain why, once you, as a parent, have met/partially raised that child it is backwards. I would gladly give up my life for my child's and so would my wife if it came down to it.
This is a rational response and would be similar to my beliefs as well.

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Apr 7, 2016 11:45am
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Apr 7, 2016 12:16 PM
Con_Alma;1790798 wrote:No...I think you're mistake with regards to the basis of our disagreement. I'm sensing you believe mine comes from a biblical definition. If that's the case your assumptions are leading you incorrectly as you evaluate my position.
Well it sure as shit doesn't come from science or logic.

Does it really matter where else it comes from?
Apr 7, 2016 12:16pm
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Apr 7, 2016 12:18 PM
jmog;1790811 wrote:I would be heartbroken either way to be quite honest, and while it would kill me inside to have to do it, yes, my wife's life would be more "important" to me at that time than the baby. I guess it also depends on how far along. If the pregnancy was 9 months along my wife and I would have a serious discussion, and knowing her SHE would choose to take the risk. If it was just say 5 weeks along we probably would have a much easier "discussion".

My 'human' beliefs as a husband I guess would overshadow my Christian beliefs that all innocent life is precious. I am not saying I am "right", I am saying that's how I believe I would feel.

What's weird, and I honestly can't explain why, once you, as a parent, have met/partially raised that child it is backwards. I would gladly give up my life for my child's and so would my wife if it came down to it.
That's great. But you do not have the right to make that choice for other women who may think differently than you.

My stance is quite simple; don't like abortion? Don't have one.
Apr 7, 2016 12:18pm
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Apr 7, 2016 12:22 PM
sleeper;1790829 wrote:Well it sure as shit doesn't come from science or logic.

Does it really matter where else it comes from?
It doesn't matter to me where the foundation is established from but you incorrectly assuming you know what the foundation of my position is was worth clarifying to me.
Apr 7, 2016 12:22pm
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Apr 7, 2016 12:23 PM
sleeper;1790830 wrote:That's great. But you do not have the right to make that choice for other women who may think differently than you.

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I don't think anyone has stated they have such a right. This discussion stems from a poster asking if anyone had a certain belief/opinion.
Apr 7, 2016 12:23pm
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Apr 7, 2016 12:24 PM
sleeper;1790830 wrote:...

My stance is quite simple; don't like abortion? Don't have one.
I tend to agree with that. I also support that people have the right to have an abortion if they choose because our laws permit them to.
Apr 7, 2016 12:24pm
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Apr 7, 2016 12:48 PM
Con_Alma;1790834 wrote:I tend to agree with that. I also support that people have the right to have an abortion if they choose because our laws permit them to.
Good. That isn't changing ever so glad you have realized this and accept a woman's right to choose will never go away.
Apr 7, 2016 12:48pm
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Apr 7, 2016 12:49 PM
Con_Alma;1790832 wrote:It doesn't matter to me where the foundation is established from but you incorrectly assuming you know what the foundation of my position is was worth clarifying to me.
It doesn't come from science or logic. I don't need to know your actual foundation; I know what your foundation is not.
Apr 7, 2016 12:49pm
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Apr 7, 2016 12:51 PM
sleeper;1790837 wrote:It doesn't come from science or logic. I don't need to know your actual foundation; I know what your foundation is not.
I'm not suggesting you do need to know. I only corrected your incorrect assumption. That was for me, not you.
Apr 7, 2016 12:51pm
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Apr 7, 2016 12:52 PM
sleeper;1790836 wrote:Good. That isn't changing ever so glad you have realized this and accept a woman's right to choose will never go away.

I've never implied anything different.
Apr 7, 2016 12:52pm
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Apr 7, 2016 1:02 PM
Con_Alma;1790839 wrote:I'm not suggesting you do need to know. I only corrected your incorrect assumption. That was for me, not you.
No my assumption is correct. Your foundation of women should be killed so her baby can be born without a mother is not rooted in science or reality.

Such Jesus.
Apr 7, 2016 1:02pm
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Apr 7, 2016 1:06 PM
sleeper;1790842 wrote:No my assumption is correct. Your foundation of women should be killed so her baby can be born without a mother is not rooted in science or reality.

Such Jesus.
I can with certainty* say your post is not my position what-so-ever and that my opinion on the question originally asked was not Biblically based.
Apr 7, 2016 1:06pm