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Feb 10, 2014 11:53 AM
lhslep134;1578616 wrote:It shouldn't be a big deal now, but it is because of how bigoted some of America still is. The more people that come out, the less and less of a deal it becomes. Hopefully Sam opened Pandora's box.
100% agree
Feb 10, 2014 11:53am
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Feb 10, 2014 12:16 PM
lhslep134;1578616 wrote:It shouldn't be a big deal now, but it is because of how bigoted some of America still is. The more athletes that come out, the less and less of a deal it becomes to the mainstream. Hopefully Sam opened Pandora's box.
If a Christian believes that homosexuality is wrong, and is a sin, however loves the sinner (hate the sin), would you consider them bigoted?
Feb 10, 2014 12:16pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:32 PM
ernest_t_bass;1578627 wrote:If a Christian believes that homosexuality is wrong, and is a sin, however loves the sinner (hate the sin), would you consider them bigoted?
I'm not bringing religion into this.

If you can't accept someone because of their sexual preference (I said accept, not become best friends with), you're bigoted.
Feb 10, 2014 12:32pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:36 PM
lhslep134;1578634 wrote:I'm not bringing religion into this.

If you can't accept someone because of their sexual preference (I said accept, not become best friends with), you're bigoted.
Accepting a person and accepting an "act" are not the same thing.
Feb 10, 2014 12:36pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:42 PM
The entire purpose of Sam coming out is so his future potential employers and co-workers accept him, not his actions. Somewhere you're mixing the two together.

Maybe this will clarify whatever point you're trying to make:

A religious person is against the act of homosexuality. Fine. He's entitled to that opinion. But if he treats the homosexuals differently as people, then he's a bigot.
Feb 10, 2014 12:42pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:43 PM
lhslep134;1578641 wrote:The entire purpose of Sam coming out is so his future potential employers and co-workers accept him, not his actions. Somewhere you're mixing the two together.
I'm not mixing shit. All I did was ask a question, in response to your post.
If a Christian believes that homosexuality is wrong, and is a sin, however loves the sinner (hate the sin), would you consider them bigoted?
Feb 10, 2014 12:43pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:45 PM
ernest_t_bass;1578637 wrote:Accepting a person and accepting an "act" are not the same thing.
Okay, so what do you care what a person does in the privacy of their own bedroom with another consenting adult?

Is their a campaign by religious folk to take away liberties/advantages of those who masturbate?
Feb 10, 2014 12:45pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:46 PM
A Christian wouldn't spend time judging someone else's supposed sin. So if they aren't a bigot, they are a hypocrite.
Feb 10, 2014 12:46pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:48 PM
Fly4Fun;1578643 wrote:Okay, so what do you care what a person does in the privacy of their own bedroom with another consenting adult?

Is their a campaign by religious folk to take away liberties/advantages of those who masturbate?
No, I'm kinda just playing devils advocate, b/c when homosexuality is discussed (in the mainstream media), often times Christianity is attacked.
Feb 10, 2014 12:48pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:50 PM
As a believer, I just find it hilarious that "YOU MUST ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM!!!1!" does not go both ways. If I believe, based on the bible, that homosexuality is a sin, then why am I not entitled to my beliefs? I'm not going around all Westboro style, and I'm not preaching.
Feb 10, 2014 12:50pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:52 PM
ernest_t_bass;1578645 wrote:No, I'm kinda just playing devils advocate, b/c when homosexuality is discussed (in the mainstream media), often times Christianity is attacked.
I see what you're saying.

Christianity is attacked because a lot of the most outspoken people are the bigots who identify as Christians and base their argument off the bible.

In reality, those are just people who happen to be extremely bigoted and their Christianity isn't the basis for their beliefs, but is the justification given.
Feb 10, 2014 12:52pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:53 PM
ernest_t_bass;1578647 wrote:As a believer, I just find it hilarious that "YOU MUST ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM!!!1!" does not go both ways. If I believe, based on the bible, that homosexuality is a sin, then why am I not entitled to my beliefs? I'm not going around all Westboro style, and I'm not preaching.
Because it's fucked up that, because of religious beliefs, you believe it's a bad thing that one is attracted to the same sex. It's just kinda fucking stupid.
Feb 10, 2014 12:53pm
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Feb 10, 2014 12:55 PM
I hope he goes undrafted. Would be hilarious.
Feb 10, 2014 12:55pm
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Feb 10, 2014 1:08 PM
lhslep134;1578641 wrote:The entire purpose of Sam coming out is so his future potential employers and co-workers accept him, not his actions. Somewhere you're mixing the two together.
This is what I don't understand. By NOT coming out, was someone not accepting him? I could give two shits whether someone is gay, I just don't know why it has to be announced.
Feb 10, 2014 1:08pm
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Feb 10, 2014 1:10 PM
Fly4Fun;1578643 wrote:Okay, so what do you care what a person does in the privacy of their own bedroom with another consenting adult?
I don't. So no announcement necessary.
Is their a campaign by religious folk to take away liberties/advantages of those who masturbate?
What liberties/advantages did Sam not have, that he has now for announcing he is gay?
Feb 10, 2014 1:10pm
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Feb 10, 2014 1:32 PM
ernest_t_bass;1578647 wrote:As a believer, I just find it hilarious that "YOU MUST ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM!!!1!" does not go both ways. If I believe, based on the bible, that homosexuality is a sin, then why am I not entitled to my beliefs? I'm not going around all Westboro style, and I'm not preaching.
In today's society we have to accept all people and give all kids blue ribbons even if they play on a team that sucks. We should stop keeping score so no little kids are losers. Society is soft today.
Feb 10, 2014 1:32pm
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Feb 10, 2014 1:33 PM
SportsAndLady;1578653 wrote:Because it's fucked up that, because of religious beliefs, you believe it's a bad thing that one is attracted to the same sex. It's just kinda fucking stupid.
Maybe alot of people think it is pretty fucked up and disgusting to be attracted to the same sex.
Feb 10, 2014 1:33pm
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Feb 10, 2014 1:40 PM
thavoice;1578667 wrote:Maybe alot of people think it is pretty fucked up and disgusting to be attracted to the same sex.
But to not accept it? To not accept them? To think they're some horrible animals that were born "wrong"?

You're living in the 1800's
Feb 10, 2014 1:40pm
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Feb 10, 2014 1:44 PM
thavoice;1578667 wrote:Maybe alot of people think it is pretty fucked up and disgusting to be attracted to the same sex.
Not sure you can put those opinions and "think" in the same sentence.
Feb 10, 2014 1:44pm
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Feb 10, 2014 1:51 PM
thavoice;1578667 wrote:Maybe alot of people think it is pretty fucked up and disgusting to be attracted to the same sex.
Most of whom have been told to think that way by a guy who may or may not have molested a young boy.
So who is really disgusting?
Feb 10, 2014 1:51pm
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Feb 10, 2014 1:53 PM
wildcats20;1578680 wrote:Most of whom have been told to think that way by a guy who may or may not have molested a young boy.
So who is really disgusting?
HEY! ...you leave Father O'Casey out of this!
Feb 10, 2014 1:53pm
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Feb 10, 2014 2:06 PM
lhslep134;1578616 wrote:It shouldn't be a big deal now, but it is because of how bigoted some of America still is. The more athletes that come out, the less and less of a deal it becomes to the mainstream. Hopefully Sam opened Pandora's box.
Agreed. That's the point I'm trying to make.
Feb 10, 2014 2:06pm
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Feb 10, 2014 2:12 PM
rrfan;1578666 wrote:In today's society we have to accept all people and give all kids blue ribbons even if they play on a team that sucks. We should stop keeping score so no little kids are losers. Society is soft today.
You're trying to compare being gay to blue ribbons in little league? lolfail.

IPOTW, congrats.
Feb 10, 2014 2:12pm
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Feb 10, 2014 2:27 PM
SportsAndLady;1578671 wrote:But to not accept it? To not accept them?
Why do I have to accept gay sex, instead of just accepting the person who is gay?
Feb 10, 2014 2:27pm
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Feb 10, 2014 2:30 PM
Commander of Awesome;1578690 wrote:You're trying to compare being gay to blue ribbons in little league? lolfail.

IPOTW, congrats.
No, I believe he's trying to compare, "YOU MUST ACCEPT ME AND ALL THE THINGS THAT I DO!!!1!" to blue ribbons.
Feb 10, 2014 2:30pm