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Troy Smith.......Demands Trade Now?

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Dec 30, 2009 4:43 PM
It took him until 2 weeks ago to throw his first career INT. He hasn't played much, but going 80+ passes before throwing a single interception is still pretty impressive.

I'm not sure he's a starter, but there are several teams where he would at least be able to compete for a starting job. Flacco is obviously the guy in Baltimore.

For the people saying he isn't a starter so he should stay put, what is the downside for him? If he goes to , say, Carolina and doesn't win the starting job it isn't like they would straight up cut him. He would still be a backup QB, getting paid and all the same stuff he is now.
Dec 30, 2009 4:43pm
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ZWICK 4 PREZ

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Dec 30, 2009 4:49 PM
Mulva wrote:
For the people saying he isn't a starter so he should stay put, what is the downside for him? If he goes to , say, Carolina and doesn't win the starting job it isn't like they would straight up cut him. He would still be a backup QB, getting paid and all the same stuff he is now.
b/c u have a sure thing right now. U don't know how another team will assess your value. He very well could screw the pooch by wanting out.
Dec 30, 2009 4:49pm
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devil1197

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Dec 30, 2009 5:13 PM
Smith could find a team that he could start for if he tries out but I think any team he goes to he can/will be the backup worst case scenario.
Dec 30, 2009 5:13pm
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Dec 30, 2009 6:29 PM
How many games has he played in? Like 4? No one knows how good or bad he is. I know he is better than Anderson, because Eric Mangini is better than Anderson. He may or may not be better than Quinn, but the free agent market isn't flooded with good QBs this year, so if they can get him then why not do it?
Dec 30, 2009 6:29pm
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Fidmeister

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Dec 30, 2009 6:48 PM
If his agent's not careful they'll talk him out of a playoff share. The Ravens could just cut him.

That said, he's not a better NFL QB than Brady Quinn. Take off the scarlet and gray glasses. He didn't throw a pick in his first 80 throws. Brady went more than 100 on that dumpster fire without throwing one.

One of my coworkers read somewhere that someone on a different board said Smith could start for 16 teams in the league, including Houston, Green Bay and NEW ORLEANS.

I can think of 20 automatic no's off the top of my head (Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Indianapolis, Houston, Tennessee, San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, New England, Miami, Dallas, Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, New Orleans, Atlanta, Arizona, Seattle, St. Louis, Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit.)

I also don't think he'd beat out Brady or Mark Sanchez. David Garrard is safe I think in Jacksonville.

So that leaves the Raiders, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Buffalo and the Niners. (forgive me if I forgot someone.)

Carolina is going to give Matt Moore a chance. Alex Smith will get one last shot in Frisco. Tampa just drafted its guy. That leaves Buffalo and the Raiders. He doesn't have the downfield cannon to sign and start in Oakland. So that leaves Buffalo, IMO. They'll probably go draft a QB of the future, as will the Rams at some point.

He may get into a camp where someone gives him a chance to beat out an underwhelming starter. Doesn't mean he'll win the job. He won't go anywhere and be anointed the starter.

Look at it this way. Ozzie is as good as they come. With Troy on the roster, he traded up to draft a quarterback. That, to me, speaks a ton to the reality of the situation.
Dec 30, 2009 6:48pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:51 PM
I wouldn't say Washington, St. Louis, and Detroit are automatic no's.
Dec 30, 2009 7:51pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:57 PM
Detroit is an automatic no, but your right about Washington and STL.
Dec 30, 2009 7:57pm
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Dec 30, 2009 7:57 PM
I suppose you think Stafford is going to be a great QB?

Washington is a definite because I don't think Campbell is that good.
Dec 30, 2009 7:57pm
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Dec 30, 2009 8:08 PM
Stafford has shown some glimpses of being good. However I listed them as a definite no, because Detroit is going to play him at QB and Troy has no chance to play there.

I still can't pass judgement on Jason Campbell. Man has had at least 5 OC's in his 5 year career. Can't get much established when you're changing coaches every single year.
Dec 30, 2009 8:08pm
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Dec 30, 2009 8:22 PM
In Quinn's defense then. How many OC's has he had in 3 years?
Dec 30, 2009 8:22pm
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Dec 30, 2009 8:25 PM
september63 wrote: In Quinn's defense then. How many OC's has he had in 3 years?
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Dec 30, 2009 8:25pm
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buckeyes_woowee

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Dec 30, 2009 8:28 PM
Wouldn't be suprised at all if the Browns got Seneca Wallace.
Dec 30, 2009 8:28pm
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Fidmeister

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Dec 30, 2009 9:00 PM
Mark Bulger > Troy Smith. Every Day Of The Week.

He's not an NFL starter folks.

The wonderful thing about Ohio football fans is we have this discussion. No other fan base in America is discussing Troy Smith as an NFL starter.
Dec 30, 2009 9:00pm
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detectivegibbles

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Dec 30, 2009 9:05 PM
Troy Smith was listed as the starter prior to his illness correct? Flacco succeeds because Baltimore has a damn good offensive line and we already know about their defense. Smith would have done the same thing.

If we bring Smith in, it would be an upgrade at the QB spot. Better arm and mobility than Quinn, and I would say more accurate too. But I doubt he puts up good numbers because that offense is abysmal as it is. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees wouldn't make the browns a 10-6 team. The O-line is awful outside of Thomas. The WR's are average at best. And do we really know how good the D is? They look great and then awful.

I want Troy Smith as the QB. I think he could turn out like Drew Brees with the right system and offensive coordinator. Brees isn't THAT accurate (watch him play, his receivers make some outstanding plays for him) and he has a very feared running game. It would take a year or two for them to get clicking with the new offense, but I think it could become a feared one.
Dec 30, 2009 9:05pm
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Dec 30, 2009 10:42 PM
Fidmeister wrote: If his agent's not careful they'll talk him out of a playoff share. The Ravens could just cut him.

That said, he's not a better NFL QB than Brady Quinn. Take off the scarlet and gray glasses. He didn't throw a pick in his first 80 throws. Brady went more than 100 on that dumpster fire without throwing one.

One of my coworkers read somewhere that someone on a different board said Smith could start for 16 teams in the league, including Houston, Green Bay and NEW ORLEANS.

I can think of 20 automatic no's off the top of my head (Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Indianapolis, Houston, Tennessee, San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, New England, Miami, Dallas, Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, New Orleans, Atlanta, Arizona, Seattle, St. Louis, Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit.)

I also don't think he'd beat out Brady or Mark Sanchez. David Garrard is safe I think in Jacksonville.

So that leaves the Raiders, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Buffalo and the Niners. (forgive me if I forgot someone.)

Carolina is going to give Matt Moore a chance. Alex Smith will get one last shot in Frisco. Tampa just drafted its guy. That leaves Buffalo and the Raiders. He doesn't have the downfield cannon to sign and start in Oakland. So that leaves Buffalo, IMO. They'll probably go draft a QB of the future, as will the Rams at some point.

He may get into a camp where someone gives him a chance to beat out an underwhelming starter. Doesn't mean he'll win the job. He won't go anywhere and be anointed the starter.

Look at it this way. Ozzie is as good as they come. With Troy on the roster, he traded up to draft a quarterback. That, to me, speaks a ton to the reality of the situation.
You're misunderstanding what your coworker read completely. The person on the other board wasn't saying Smith would start over Schaub, Brees, or Rogers, but that the offensive scheme those teams won, combined with the weapons they have would be a scenario in which Smith would be able to succeed. All of these teams can go 4-5 receivers deep, and each one of them has the ability to score on any given play, Troy's got the mobility and the arm strength to succeed in those types of offenses. I think he could be a good WCO QB once he finds that role.
Dec 30, 2009 10:42pm
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Dec 30, 2009 11:00 PM
Hang on!! did someone say Troy Smith could be a Drew Brees? Thank God this is posible, I am going to run for President too.
Dec 30, 2009 11:00pm
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Dec 31, 2009 12:01 AM
Flacco only succeeds because of their O line and D? lol thanks for the laugh.
Dec 31, 2009 12:01am
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Mr Pat

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Dec 31, 2009 3:20 AM
Who would take him??
Dec 31, 2009 3:20am
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Fidmeister

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Dec 31, 2009 3:46 PM
You guys are basing your opinions off Troy Smith as a college player.

If he was a good pro, Ozzie would never have gone after Flacco.

Right now, there's no proof he's not another Jason White.
Dec 31, 2009 3:46pm
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Dec 31, 2009 5:01 PM
Fidmeister wrote: Right now, there's no proof he's not another Jason White.
Uh yes there is, Jason White never made it a year in the league. Troy Smith has made it 3, there's your proof right there.
Dec 31, 2009 5:01pm
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Dec 31, 2009 5:13 PM
To be fair though, White did leave the NFL on his own accord, not that it matters just pointing it out.
Dec 31, 2009 5:13pm
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DaBrowns41

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Dec 31, 2009 5:55 PM
krazie45 wrote:
Elliot Stabler wrote: If anyone thinks that he is a better QB than Brady Quinn OR Derek Anderson,they're ignorant
Well I'm not sure who you've watched but I've seen all three play, in the NFL, and have determined that he is better than both of them. He has a better arm than Quinn (not to mention more mobile), he is more accurate than Anderson (also more mobile). Hell, he's NEVER thrown an interception in the NFL.

Personally I think you're ignorant if you think Quinn or Anderson is better...and I'm a Browns fan.
Er, he just threw an interception against Chicago.

LMAO.

What you've seen from him in garbage time of football games isn't enough to make conclusive evidence about his skills in comparison to other players.
Dec 31, 2009 5:55pm
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Jan 1, 2010 12:54 PM
Oh sorry, it appears he just threw his first INT in garbage time 3 years into his career. I think Anderson threw his in his first NFL practice. LMAO!
Jan 1, 2010 12:54pm
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Jan 1, 2010 2:31 PM
krazie45 wrote: Oh sorry, it appears he just threw his first INT in garbage time 3 years into his career. I think Anderson threw his in his first NFL practice. LMAO!
You act like he's been starting, or playing a lot in 3 years. The guy hasn't even taken 100 snaps in the NFL yet.

Lol.
Jan 1, 2010 2:31pm
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Jan 1, 2010 5:36 PM
shouldn't you really prove yourself before demanding a trade?
Jan 1, 2010 5:36pm