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birddog23

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Dec 20, 2013 12:10 PM
Classyposter58;1555821 wrote:And Miguel Cabrera was the next big prospect for Florida at 3B as well. How about that one?
Seriously? Lol. How many Miguel Cabrera's are there in the world?

I can give you a lot more Andy Marte examples than you can show me M-Cabs.
Dec 20, 2013 12:10pm
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Rotinaj

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Dec 20, 2013 12:53 PM
Its just a dumb trade for the Reds. Our pitching staff is already going to be awesome next year. Why would they trade an MVP for more pitching?
Dec 20, 2013 12:53pm
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Dec 20, 2013 2:28 PM
Rotinaj;1555868 wrote:Its just a dumb trade for the Reds. Our pitching staff is already going to be awesome next year. Why would they trade an MVP for more pitching?
Because Detroit might benefit from it. And when it comes to that, Classy is either like any EA Sports gamer who thinks that because you can put a totally bullshit trade through the computer, it should happen in real life, too...or just thinks other teams will make non-sensical trades to help his team.

I mean, trade two established quality players for one established quality player and one prospect who may or may not ever be an actual player. If you're a contender, why would you risk hurting the current team with a trade to get prospects? And if you're not a contender, why would you trade for last year's Cy Young winner?
Dec 20, 2013 2:28pm
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Dec 20, 2013 2:35 PM
Plus, if Choo and BP are gone, Cincy can't afford to get rid of Votto.
Dec 20, 2013 2:35pm
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Dec 20, 2013 10:00 PM
Heretic;1555974 wrote:Because Detroit might benefit from it. And when it comes to that, Classy is either like any EA Sports gamer who thinks that because you can put a totally bullshit trade through the computer, it should happen in real life, too...or just thinks other teams will make non-sensical trades to help his team.

I mean, trade two established quality players for one established quality player and one prospect who may or may not ever be an actual player. If you're a contender, why would you risk hurting the current team with a trade to get prospects? And if you're not a contender, why would you trade for last year's Cy Young winner?
No obviously it would help Detroit but Cincy would finally get a true ace, but yes if they lose both Choo and BP then no they cannot lose Votto
Dec 20, 2013 10:00pm
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birddog23

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Dec 20, 2013 10:56 PM
Classyposter58;1556083 wrote:No obviously it would help Detroit but Cincy would finally get a true ace, but yes if they lose both Choo and BP then no they cannot lose Votto
I think they are fine with their "untrue" aces. Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Leake. Yeah, I'll take those 4 guys and Votto over Scherzer.
Dec 20, 2013 10:56pm
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Dec 20, 2013 11:11 PM
birddog23;1556105 wrote:I think they are fine with their "untrue" aces. Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Leake. Yeah, I'll take those 4 guys and Votto over Scherzer.
How many playoff series have they won with them?
Dec 20, 2013 11:11pm
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Dec 20, 2013 11:21 PM
The Reds pitching has been probably the best overall the last 3 years. I mean look at their numbers and then consider the ballpark they play in. It's almost the equivalent of the Rockies of the 90's ever having one of the top pitching staffs. It was unimaginable. Their offense and manager has been what has cost them. It's still a HUGE problem right now.
Dec 20, 2013 11:21pm
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Dec 21, 2013 12:02 AM
Classyposter58;1556110 wrote:How many playoff series have they won with them?
Detroit is basing their success off playoff series won now?
Dec 21, 2013 12:02am
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sportswizuhrd

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Dec 21, 2013 1:29 AM
If Votto went to the Tigers, he would hit 9th.

#HaveYouSeenThatLineup?
Dec 21, 2013 1:29am
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Dec 21, 2013 10:49 AM
^^^^LOL.....and look at Stubbs he was leadoff man for Cinci....and he hit 9th for the lowly Tribe!

(Just a joke fellas:RpS_blink:)
Dec 21, 2013 10:49am
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Dec 21, 2013 10:57 AM
HitsRus;1556200 wrote:^^^^LOL.....and look at Stubbs he was leadoff man for Cinci....and he hit 9th for the lowly Tribe!

(Just a joke fellas:RpS_blink:)
Every time I had to watch Stubbs hit first I died a little inside....
Dec 21, 2013 10:57am
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Dec 21, 2013 12:21 PM
7 year deal for Choo in Texas.
Dec 21, 2013 12:21pm
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Dec 21, 2013 12:35 PM
wildcats20;1556230 wrote:7 year deal for Choo in Texas.
Well, Boras had his mystery team, but it cost his client $10 million apparently when he told him to turn down the Yankee deal for $140 because it wasn't Ellsbury money.
Dec 21, 2013 12:35pm
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Dec 21, 2013 12:52 PM
$18.5 million a year for Choo is still ridiculous.
Dec 21, 2013 12:52pm
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Dec 21, 2013 1:18 PM
Classyposter58;1556110 wrote:How many playoff series have they won with them?
Dusty sucks....have you seen his playoff resume?
Dec 21, 2013 1:18pm
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Dec 21, 2013 1:21 PM
^^^especially for 7 years. Thought the same thing for Ellsbury....both of those guys rely a lot on speed in and for their games....not gonna be there at the end of their contracts.
Dec 21, 2013 1:21pm
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Dec 21, 2013 1:24 PM
These 7-10 year deals are a plague on MLB right now.

It is crazy to me that guys on the other side of 30 like Werth, Choo, Ellsbury are $18-20 million dollar a year guys over 7 years.

Choo hit .285 with 21 homers and 54 RBI's. Is that really a $19 million dollar a year guy?

The price inflation is just killing middle market teams.
Dec 21, 2013 1:24pm
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Dec 21, 2013 1:54 PM
HitsRus;1556254 wrote:^^^especially for 7 years. Thought the same thing for Ellsbury....both of those guys rely a lot on speed in and for their games....not gonna be there at the end of their contracts.
Choo relies on speed?
Dec 21, 2013 1:54pm
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Dec 21, 2013 1:55 PM
IggyPride00;1556257 wrote:These 7-10 year deals are a plague on MLB right now.

It is crazy to me that guys on the other side of 30 like Werth, Choo, Ellsbury are $18-20 million dollar a year guys over 7 years.

Choo hit .285 with 21 homers and 54 RBI's. Is that really a $19 million dollar a year guy?

The price inflation is just killing middle market teams.
He may not be worth that but the stats you gave tell us little.
Dec 21, 2013 1:55pm
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Dec 21, 2013 2:04 PM
Ironman92;1556262 wrote:He may not be worth that but the stats you gave tell us little.
Ill take a leadoff guy that gets on base a shit ton and hits 20+ homers all day. I think he'll be very good for the next 4 or 5 years. These 7+ year deals are outrageous though.
Dec 21, 2013 2:04pm
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Dec 21, 2013 2:27 PM
Rotinaj;1556265 wrote:Ill take a leadoff guy that gets on base a shit ton and hits 20+ homers all day. I think he'll be very good for the next 4 or 5 years. These 7+ year deals are outrageous though.
They are and as long as one team keeps doing it...it's going to be an item.

I wish Choo well. Loved how he played for the Reds.
Dec 21, 2013 2:27pm
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Azubuike24

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Dec 21, 2013 2:32 PM
Choo is NOT a true leadoff hitter. He was put there because the Reds had no other option.

Choo is capable of 20-25 HR's, 40+ doubles and 100 walks. He's got flaws (against lefties) but he's a perfect #2 hitter in Texas and IMO, is a far better fit there than Ellsbury in NYY, Granderson in NYM or Pence in SFG. All similar age and similar money, I'd take Choo over them all.

The big risk with all of them is...who tanks first? If I need one of those guys over the next 3 years, it's Choo EASILY. Now, in 2018 when all of them are in the 5th year of crazy long contracts, we might have a different story.
Dec 21, 2013 2:32pm
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Dec 21, 2013 2:45 PM
I still really like Ellsbury...he has ran into too many walls but when he's healthy and on he is pretty spectacular.
Dec 21, 2013 2:45pm
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Azubuike24

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Dec 21, 2013 3:32 PM
Reds do get the 21st pick in the draft this year for Choo. Definitely a chance to improve their system even more.
Dec 21, 2013 3:32pm