gut;1392000 wrote:While you were playing she pointed you out to her daughter, and then felt bad when you got shot down

SnotBubbles;1392048 wrote:That is cool. But did you bang her daughter?

O-Trap;1392130 wrote: Also, regarding the daughter, did you PIIHB?

Her daughter wasn't with her. She showed me a picture and I definitely would have PIIHB...but the whole "me being married" thing may have put a damper on my chances.

sherm03;1392260 wrote:Her daughter wasn't with her. She showed me a picture and I definitely would have PIIHB...but the whole "me being married" thing may have put a damper on my chances.

You were in Vegas. Affairs don't count in Vegas.

SnotBubbles;1392290 wrote:You were in Vegas. Affairs don't count in Vegas.

Touche.

sherm03;1392291 wrote:Touche.

And I'm in Bellefontaine. It also doesn't count in Bellefontaine.

SnotBubbles;1392297 wrote:And I'm in Bellefontaine. It also doesn't count in Bellefontaine.

Where on earth are you going with this? It sounds like a proposition for him to go to Bellefontaine and PIIYB.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

If you're an intelligent guy, read one or two basic strategy books, and play tight, it's virtually impossible not to be profitable at $1-2 poker. It's really a complete joke at most casinos.

Banana Stand;1392527 wrote:If you're an intelligent guy, read one or two basic strategy books, and play tight, it's virtually impossible not to be profitable at $1-2 poker. It's really a complete joke at most casinos.

LMAO...I think the exact opposite, at least in Vegas. $2-$5 is better because less idiots means you have more control over horribly stupid bad beats, and more money on the table makes fishing much more expensive.

I rarely won at $1-$2. People sit down with $100-$200 and you can't push enough guys out of pots to get an edge and, for many, they don't have enough invested to be pushed off a weak hand. It's not poker, it's flipping coins. A bad beat can ruin your night and it's almost guaranteed in $1-$2.

No to mention, saying "virtually impossible not to be profitable" sounds like someone who hasn't played many cards. Horribly off the mark in a week or even a month, much less one session. Pot limit or Omaha might be different, but most people know the basics of no limit and you aren't even going to break-even playing pure odds.

gut;1392557 wrote:LMAO...I think the exact opposite, at least in Vegas. $2-$5 is better because less idiots means you have more control over horribly stupid bad beats, and more money on the table makes fishing much more expensive.

You want the players to act as "idiotic" as possible. You want people to call with draws. For every bad beat you suffer from their terrible play, you will statistically win much more. In the short run, you could experience a lot of variance and be down, but in the long run you will always win if you're talented and don't tilt.

I rarely won at $1-$2. People sit down with $100-$200 and you can't push enough guys out of pots to get an edge and, for many, they don't have enough invested to be pushed off a weak hand. It's not poker, it's flipping coins. A bad beat can ruin your night and it's almost guaranteed in $1-$2.

If you're at tables like that, simply sit on premium hands and overbet the pot if you know they'll call. I'm obviously talking about long run stuff here. You could easily lose one buy in, maybe even have a losing month if variance is really bad, but in the long run you will be heavily +EV in a game like that, which is what you should be measuring in any table.

There is no circumstance where playing against more talented players leads to better EV than playing against calling stations. If you have more fun playing in certain games because you like the people, the flow, whatever, better and it's just a hobby then cool. But it's never a better winning strategy unless you're completely unable to adapt your game to your opponents.

No to mention, saying "virtually impossible not to be profitable" sounds like someone who hasn't played many cards.

lol ok

OK, like I said, you don't strike me as having played many hands of live poker.

Everything you just said goes out the window playing against half a dozen calling machines. You sit for a premium hand and your night - if you get such a hand - comes down to a draw that is maybe 60/40. And you're getting bled a lot by people throwing chips around ridiculously.

There is no such thing as favorable odds in a 4-5 person hand. That's what happens in $1-$2. You can't push people out without way overbetting, which ruins your strategy. You can't bluff people, really at all...which ruins your strategy. Your odds go right to shit when you have top pair and one guy has a straight draw, another has a flush draw, one has overcards and another is hoping for a second pair or trips.

Ain't nobody playing poker at $1-$2. Or if someone thinks they are, then look for the small stack. It's not a game of skill, so the only way someone thinks they rake money at such a table is because they haven't played. $2-$5 is a much better game for playing smart and grinding out profits. That's in Vegas, 1/2 at a regional casino might be equivalent to Vegas 2/5, or maybe the buy-ins or money at the table end-up playing like a 2/5

gut;1392710 wrote:OK, like I said, you don't strike me as having played many hands of live poker.

I'm not going to get into a battle of credentials on an internet forum because obviously I could just be making everything up, but alright.

Everything you just said goes out the window playing against half a dozen calling machines. You sit for a premium hand and your night - if you get such a hand - comes down to a draw that is maybe 60/40.

You can very easily get in situations where you're better than 60/40. If you're that much better, I wouldn't be searching out coin flips anyway. All of these problems are things you take into account when deciding how you're going to play the table. Every problem is simply something you have to adjust for.

Adjusting for a calling station, or an overbetter, etc. is comparatively easy to when you have to start trying to anticipate how light a villain will 3bet in position, their range OOP, their cbet %, etc. as you do in any quality lineup.

There is no such thing as favorable odds in a 4-5 person hand.

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You can't push people out without way overbetting, which ruins your strategy. You can't bluff people, really at all...which ruins your strategy.

You adapt your strategy to the table. If you have to play the same way every time to be effective, that's not good poker.

Your odds go right to **** when you have top pair and one guy has a straight draw, another has a flush draw, one has overcards and another is hoping for a second pair or trips.

Well that's a cooler for one, a good player would call with a high flash draw as well, that's not poor play. Secondly, if you're jamming with top pair on a wet board like that I'm not sure you have room to be complaining about suck outs. Top pair really isn't a premium hand.

$2-$5 is a much better game for playing smart and grinding out profits

I actually agree, but that's because $2-5 players tend to be just a little better than 1/2 player, but with larger bankrolls. $1-2 certainly has a higher adjusted EV for a talented player though, there's really no debating that. Just as 2/5 has higher adjusted EV than 5/10, than does 10/20, than does 25/50, etc.

If you don't believe me, just go post your thoughts and theories on 2+2 and wait for the entire forum to tell you exactly what I have. Or don't.

O-Trap;1392424 wrote:Where on earth are you going with this? It sounds like a proposition for him to go to Bellefontaine and PIIYB.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

No homo stuff. Simply stating that affairs don't count in Bellefontaine. If I write it on the internet then it's true. And I don't have to feel guilty about banging bitches.

Banana Stand;1392733 wrote: I actually agree, but that's because $2-5 players tend to be just a little better than 1/2 player, but with larger bankrolls. $1-2 certainly has a higher adjusted EV for a talented player though, there's really no debating that. Just as 2/5 has higher adjusted EV than 5/10, than does 10/20, than does 25/50, etc.

If you don't believe me, just go post your thoughts and theories on 2+2 and wait for the entire forum to tell you exactly what I have. Or don't.

I've played a few hundred hours on Vegas tables (play the "not arguing credentials" card - it's obvious when someone has barely played, if at all). Live games are different, I don't really care what online players think (they are usually easy marks at a live table). $1-$2 does not have higher EV, it's a coin flip - you've got no edge when a bunch of fish are effectively turning the game to high stakes coin flipping. Anyone who's played a good bit in Vegas would know that. Most people know basic strategy, so playing purely odds as that game dictates may make you a few bucks, but given the number of players in each hand you'll more likely bust...in the long-run, the rake/tips would likely prevent you from even breaking-even.

THERE IS NO POKER PLAYED at a 1/2 table, clearly including yourself (not that you don't know poker, you just appear not to have sat at Vegas tables much), so there is no EV to be gained. I get everything you've said - I know how to play. There's a reason the grinders and local "pro's" aren't playing 1/2 in Vegas - the EV is most definitely higher for 2/5, adjusted or otherwise, because you can isolate the weak players in heads-up or three-way and have the whole range of strategies available to take down a pot. I've been at plenty of 2/5 games where the 2-3 good players kind of know and mostly avoid each other, tacitly agreeing to carve up the rest of the table.

Take my advice the next time you are playing in Vegas. Don't even waste your time on 1/2 unless you are clueless. WSOP main event season is the best time to profit - lots of players that aren't as good as they think they are (seems counterintuitive when people come from all over the world to drop thousands on tourneys). Other times of year I've found the local grinders aren't spread out enough and they really kill the EV and volatility (i.e. 2-3 good players becomes like 6...smaller pots, passive-aggressive play...they don't get trapped just looking to make like $20 a hour).

SnotBubbles;1392807 wrote:No homo stuff. Simply stating that affairs don't count in Bellefontaine. If I write it on the internet then it's true. And I don't have to feel guilty about banging bitches.

Doesn't it make family reunions uncomfortable?

gut;1392946 wrote:I've played a few hundred hours on Vegas tables (play the "not arguing credentials" card - it's obvious when someone has barely played, if at all).

We're now just restating the same things over and over again with neither of us changing what we're saying. If you don't trust that I know what I'm talking about, just post the same discussion on 2+2 and take an actual poker community's word for it. Or don't. I suppose it doesn't matter to you personally if you can beat 2/5, I was simply giving people in this thread looking for gambling advice some tips.

Live games are different, I don't really care what online players think (they are usually easy marks at a live table).

Please make sure to include this part on 2+2 if you do post there though lol

There's a reason the grinders and local "pro's" aren't playing 1/2 in Vegas

Well the reason is because 1/2, along with 2/5 actually, isn't high enough stakes to earn a decent living playing poker live. You either need to be multi-tabling online or playing 5/10+ live to really earn a living. You should be playing the highest stakes you can still beat ideally. But that doesn't mean there's a bunch of pros thinking 10/20 is the easiest game in town.

I've been at plenty of 2/5 games where the 2-3 good players kind of know and mostly avoid each other, tacitly agreeing to carve up the rest of the table.

Yeah, I played in one of those too. Worm and Knish were arguing and made it awkward for everyone though.