Browns will be a lot better because:

Their coaching is a lot better...on both sides of the ball. They will be better because they did bring in 2 quality free agents. Hopefully they take this route to replace Buster Skreeeen.

I think Mingo was a really bad pick. But Horton willl figure out how to use him and make him effective. If it's just a speed rush around the left tackle, he will be out of football in a year or 2. Ray Ray will figure t out...and it will be fun to watch.

Fuck. Looks like an 0-16 season. Footwedge says they'll be better.

Sorry, gents...just don't think Richardson is an elite/superior back, as it stands. He's going to need a REALLY good O-Line, ala Emmitt, to put up those kind of stats, imo.

Not comparing him to Barry Sanders, who didn't need an exceptional O-Line to be outstanding, but I don't think Richardson has that kind of ability to put up great numbers unless his O-Line is elite. I could be wrong on this, and hope I am.

It'll be interesting to see what Richardson does when he is fully healthy. I thought his vision coud've been better last year, he seemed to miss a lot of opportunities to bounce it outside.

Footwedge;1436754 wrote:Browns will be a lot better because:

Their coaching is a lot better...on both sides of the ball. They will be better because they did bring in 2 quality free agents. Hopefully they take this route to replace Buster Skreeeen.

I think Mingo was a really bad pick. But Horton willl figure out how to use him and make him effective. If it's just a speed rush around the left tackle, he will be out of football in a year or 2. Ray Ray will figure t out...and it will be fun to watch.

You are also one of the biggest dumbasses on this planet, so no one here gives a fuck what your thoughts are when it comes to the Browns.

DeyDurkie5;1437057 wrote:You are also one of the biggest dumbasses on this planet, so no one here gives a fuck what your thoughts are when it comes to the Browns.

This is a fact.

DeyDurkie5;1437057 wrote:You are also one of the biggest dumbasses on this planet, so no one here gives a fuck what your thoughts are when it comes to the Browns.

So how long's it been since Bambi was let out of the basement? So nice to have the douchebags hangin around the real boards. Welcome back.

GoChiefs;1436761 wrote:Fuck. Looks like an 0-16 season. Footwedge says they'll be better.

So clever. Now I know what it takes to become a mod here. Do you put that on your resume Cletus? LMAO.

First you say this.

Footwedge;1437111 wrote:So clever.

Then you say this.

Footwedge;1437111 wrote: Now I know what it takes to become a mod here. Do you put that on your resume Cletus?

Then top it off with this, like it was actually funny?

Footwedge;1437111 wrote:LMAO.

Smh. Failwedge strikes again!

Footwedge;1437111 wrote:So clever. Now I know what it takes to become a mod here. Do you put that on your resume Cletus? LMAO.

I voted for Cletus.

As a Bengals fan I don't think TRich is elite yet but he has the ability to be elite. There are very few running backs who can put up great number without a good o-line or other offensive options to open up space for them. It's also easier though to find good run blockers then it is to find good pass blocking o-lineman. I think injuries are more likely to keep him from being great then his offensive line.

GoChiefs;1437124 wrote:First you say this.



Then you say this.



Then top it off with this, like it was actually funny?



Smh. Failwedge strikes again!

I know several Clems and Cletuses off Rt. 33. A few of them have teeth too.

Sonofanump;1437145 wrote:I voted for Cletus.

idiots are not allowed to vote.

Footwedge;1437718 wrote:I know several Clems and Cletuses off Rt. 33. A few of them have teeth too.

Linked to the Basement.

http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?38769-Like_That-s-infractable-posts&p=1437722&viewfull=1#post1437722

Heard Adam Caplan from Sirius XM (on 92.3) yesterday talking Browns. Apparently he's fairly close with Banner and revealed a few things that weren't exactly uncommon knowledge.

He said Banner is calling the shots/making the final decision on personnel (big mistake, IMO) with Lombardi's input. He also said that even though Lombardi may dislike him, the coaching staff has pushed for Weeden as the starter (feel they can make something of him) and barring an injury, there's no way Campbell would beat Weeden out for the starting job. Caplan also said that Geno Smith was "never a consideration" for the Browns.

Earlier in the week they had Les Miles & Bobby Hebert (former Saints QB/LSU honk) on discussing Mingo. Didn't catch the Miles interview but Hebert believes that Mingo will be a "7-8 sack guy" his rookie season and should grow into a "12-14 sack/year guy." Hebert also said that Mingo would have to be a one trick pony until he puts on some size because he can't defend the run.

On a side note, Hebert didn't have many nice things to say about Les Miles. Guess he hates him.

Evan Silva ‏ @
evansilva 39m
Five most improved defenses this offseason: 1. # Buccaneers 2. # Ravens 3. # Browns 4. # Colts 5. # Chiefs.

BR1986FB;1437907 wrote:Evan Silva ‏ @
evansilva 39m
Five most improved defenses this offseason: 1. # Buccaneers 2. # Ravens 3. # Browns 4. # Colts 5. # Chiefs.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Footwedge;1437719 wrote:idiots are not allowed to vote.

So no vote for you.

The Ravens are the second most improved. What?

Sobo's Draft Thoughts
		By Brent Sobleski OBR Contributing Writer Posted May 3, 2013 Brent Sobleski takes the Cleveland Browns entire draft picture into consideration, unlike those who simply categorize the Browns' draft as disappointing. 1 Comment
The Browns recent draft class has been described as disappointing. Others have claimed the team's new brass "punted" during this year's draft. Conspiracy theorists even proclaim the Browns weren't comfortable with the scouting staff's evaluations, hence the need to move picks for future selections. All of those views are shortsighted and don't take the entire picture into consideration. Cleveland made five selections in the draft. Two wide receivers were acquired with draft assets from this year's class. And two future picks were added as well. The Browns' actual draft is as follows: Round 1 - Barkevious Mingo, defensive end, LSU Round 2 - Josh Gordon, wide receiver (used in last year's supplemental draft) Round 3 - Leon McFadden, cornerback, San Diego State Round 4 - Traded for future pick Round 5 - Davone Best, wide receiver (productive veteran obtained from Miami) Round 5 - Traded for future pick Round 6 - Jamoris Slaughter, safety, Notre Dame Round 7 - Armonty Bryant, defensive end, East Central Oklahoma Round 7 - Garett Gilkey, guard, Chadron State (Running back Dion Lewis could even be added to the equation since he was acquired for another recent seventh round selection.) Cleveland Browns president Joe Banner spoke often about the team's acquisition of assets after the fact. Multiple assets were added courtesy of this draft. Some will contribute immediately. Others will impact the future of the team -- both players and draft picks. The Browns' roster also dictated such moves in this year's draft class. The Browns are the youngest team in the NFL. A quick look at the composition of the roster shows 73 of the 88 players with the team -- or 83-percent of the roster -- are currently 26 years old or younger. Eight of the 15 players older than 26 were recently acquired in free agency or trade. The team will have 36 new faces in the locker room at the start of camp. One difference between the current regime in Cleveland as opposed to previous incarnations is a willingness to see how prior talent on the roster can develop. Banner and Lombardi want to see how players like quarterback Brandon Weeden, safety Tashaun Gipson, etc. develop under the team's new and experienced coaching staff. Banner and Lombardi also saw value in acquiring future picks for a class which under initial view is considered much stronger than the past class. Elite talents were lacking this year. Those same assertions won't be made next year. With preparation already beginning for 2014's class, one prominent analyst believes the Top 15 next year is absolutely loaded. Names such as Jadeveon Clowney, Teddy Bridgewater, Cyrus Kouandjio, Taylor Lewan, Marqise Lee, Marcus Mariota, Anthony Barr, etc. will be household names in April -- if they're not already. But the afterglow of the 2013 class is still the main topic. Let's take a look at the team's acquisitions: Barkevious Mingo - The Browns got their man. As the draft approached, the OBR was led to believe the team was either going to trade out of the No. 6 spot or select a defensive lineman. A potential trade was in place with St. Louis, but the Browns felt the value of selecting Mingo trumped added extra pieces later in the draft. Even if the Browns did trade down, they were looking at a very similar talent to Mingo. Southern Mississippi's Jaime Collins is believed to have been Cleveland's target, not fellow outside linebacker Jarvis Jones. For those that want to compare as these talents develop, it will be wise to watch Collins in New England more so than Jones in Pittsburgh. The selection of Mingo and the interest in Collins, a former safety, displays the team's preference to add a highly athletic edge rusher to the team's front seven. These talents have the ability to do more within the scheme than simply get to the quarterback. Mingo's speed will be used as an asset first and foremost in getting to the quarterback and also in coverage responsibilities. His talent allows defensive coordinator Ray Horton to do more. Mingo can cover tight ends, running backs or even drop deep in Cover 2 looks if asked. He has the ability to do so, and he showed some of that ability at LSU. Mingo's speed also creates problems for pass protection. His ability to get up field and beat an offensive tackle off the snap with his quickness can dictate what offense can do with their schemes. They'll try to slide protection Mingo's way, keep a tight end in to block or have a running back chip on him. This will open things up for the Jabaal Sheard and Paul Kruger on the frontside. But Mingo isn't without his deficiencies. He's still rather raw as a football player. Many accept the Chick-fil-A Bowl against Clemson was Mingo's his best game this past season. Mingo had four tackles for loss and multiple pressures. When watching the game, there are areas to Mingo's game which are of some concern: - Played consistently high - Didn't display violent hands - Didn't disengage from blocks - Overran plays - Never bent the edge to get to the QB - Never finished plays when he got close to the QB - Didn't sell the swim move - Three biggest plays, he came unblocked - Dove at the feet of a trap blocker No one is denying Mingo's natural talent. He has Top 10 overall talent. There are simply concerns about his game when breaking his down with a more critical eye. Leon McFadden - Why did the Browns' pass on Tyrann Mathieu? This was the immediate question posed when McFadden was chosen, and Mathieu came off the board with the next pick to Arizona. The fact of the matter is Mathieu isn't an ideal fit in the Browns' defensive scheme, while McFadden is. Mathieu will be asked to play nickel corner or free safety in the desert. McFadden has the opportunity to start immediately as the Browns' outside cornerback opposite Joe Haden. The OBR had the opportunity to discuss San Diego State's defense with head coach Rocky Long before last season. Long explained how his 3-3-5 front is predicated on constant pressure created by multiple blitz packages. This, more often than not, places the team's cornerbacks on an island in man-to-man coverage. McFadden excelled in these situations. He also proved himself capable of reading quarterbacks when in zone with multiple interceptions in those situations. Concerns have arisen about McFadden's height and speed. He makes up for both with length and fluid hips. McFadden is a hair under 5-10, but his arm length is 32 3/8 -- which is very good for a cornerback and nearly the same as Haden's (and a full inch longer than Mathieu). In fact, McFadden and Haden are built very similarly and were almost identical when they both tested at the Combine. McFadden will get an opportunity to claim the No. 2 corner spot during training camp, and it won't be a surprise if he claims the position as the opening day starter.

Jamoris Slaughter - Another pick chastised more for who the Browns' passed rather than who they selected.

Slaughter was one of the Browns' top targets as early as round four when they initially traded. The did so again in round five. The team took a calculated risk Slaughter's injury would cause him to slide. He did. And they were able to get one of their top targets earlier in the draft in round six.

The complaints started when the Browns essentially passed on fellow safety Shamarko Thomas and instead allowed arch rival Pittsburgh to select him. Again, another instance where one was a better scheme fit for one team as opposed to the other.

The Browns preferred a safety which can be an interchangeable piece within the scheme. Slaughter has the ability to play free and strong safety as well as cover in the slot. Thomas is predominately an in-the-box safety who will have time to develop behind Troy Polamalu.

If Slaughter is fully healthy for training camp -- and he says he will be -- then it's another instance of a rookie can push to immediately start or provide early playing time.

Armonty Bryant and Garrett Gilkey - The final two selections were all about upside and potential.

Bryant was believed to have early round ability which was spoiled due to off-the-field issues. His height and length make the Browns believe he'll grow into a 3-4 defensive end. He only weighed 263 pounds at the Combine. He will eventually have to add 20-25 pounds of bulk to truly contribute at the position. This may be a "redshirt" season for Bryant as a result.

Gilkey is another matter altogether. He is physically ready to play, but he has to work on his technique while adjusting to a much higher level of play -- which is always difficult for small school offensive linemen. Gilkey was a target the OBR discussed prior to his drafting, because of the front office's demand for more physical play along the offensive line. Gilkey is one of the nastiest linemen among his draft class. The Browns clearly want to become bigger and more physical along their offensive interior.

Buddy just told me that Rizzo and Goldhammer will have a scene in Draft Day, the movie. SMH

Commander of Awesome;1438829 wrote:Buddy just told me that Rizzo and Goldhammer will have a scene in Draft Day, the movie. SMH

Lovers, perhaps?

Armonty Bryant got a DUI.

Mulva;1438932 wrote:Armonty Bryant got a DUI.

Shocking.