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Apr 28, 2013 10:10 AM
Goodness se..chill out.

Were you expecting this draft to put us over the edge into super bowl contenders?

And to answer your question, Josh Gordon.
Apr 28, 2013 10:10am
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Apr 28, 2013 10:39 AM
With this draft over, we can now evaluate last year's draft in context....and it really shows how bad the overreach for Trent Richardson and especially Brandon Weeden was. As we are now looking 3-5 years down the road....it looks like we'll be shopping for a QB and a RB just about the time when this team becomes playoff contenders. Last year, we should have used all those picks to just grab the best player available....but after 2 years of drafting, there are still holes all over the place. This also shows the cluster f*** of changing administrations every 3-5 years. So, now that we stockpiled all those pick for next year, does that mean we can trade them to overreach again?
Bottom line....how are we going to score points? We don't even have Phil Dawson to count on. At least we should be good defensively. I can forsee losing alot of games 10-6 and 9-3.
Apr 28, 2013 10:39am
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Apr 28, 2013 11:09 AM
HitsRus;1435223 wrote:With this draft over, we can now evaluate last year's draft in context....and it really shows how bad the overreach for Trent Richardson and especially Brandon Weeden was. As we are now looking 3-5 years down the road....it looks like we'll be shopping for a QB and a RB just about the time when this team becomes playoff contenders. Last year, we should have used all those picks to just grab the best player available....but after 2 years of drafting, there are still holes all over the place. This also shows the cluster f*** of changing administrations every 3-5 years. So, now that we stockpiled all those pick for next year, does that mean we can trade them to overreach again?
Bottom line....how are we going to score points? We don't even have Phil Dawson to count on. At least we should be good defensively. I can forsee losing alot of games 10-6 and 9-3.

You think richardson won't be a brownie soon? He didn't have an incredible rookie season, but he showed enough promise that he can be a top RB in this league if used the correct way.

Like Weeden, ill wait and see how he performs with an offense more suited for him.

Did we overreach for him? Probably. But I'd rather have him than not have him.
Apr 28, 2013 11:09am
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Apr 28, 2013 11:15 AM
SportsAndLady;1435229 wrote:You think richardson won't be a brownie soon? He didn't have an incredible rookie season, but he showed enough promise that he can be a top RB in this league if used the correct way.

Like Weeden, ill wait and see how he performs with an offense more suited for him.

Did we overreach for him? Probably. But I'd rather have him than not have him.

This. The best part about this team is it looks like we're finally putting together the right pieces to build a franchise. Our skill players are pretty close to being set. Our o line is one of the best in football, our defensive front 7 is solid. We are building the right way right now. We have given weeden all the weapons to be successful and if he fails we will have the ammo to move up next year and get our franchise guy. This is probably the most talent we have had since we have been back in 99. I'm actually excited to watch this team this year
Apr 28, 2013 11:15am
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Apr 28, 2013 11:49 AM
Didn't really expect this type of overreaction to stockpiling picks. It's as if you guys thought picks 4-7 were going to put this team on top for the SB. Lets not forget, Gordon was our 2nd round pick, so just look at it as we drafted a 2nd rounder with already 1 year of experience. If they didn't do anything in FA, I could understand the QQing.
Apr 28, 2013 11:49am
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Apr 28, 2013 11:51 AM
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1435066 wrote:They're comparing Da'Rick Rogers to Greg Little. Not a good route runner, stops routes early if not the primary target, on-field body language can be defeating, on-field effort can be less than desirable, doesn't fight to get open.

No thanks...
Rogers is better than Hunter and Patterson. His character is a problem ,though.
Apr 28, 2013 11:51am
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Apr 28, 2013 11:52 AM
SportsAndLady;1435229 wrote:You think richardson won't be a brownie soon? He didn't have an incredible rookie season, but he showed enough promise that he can be a top RB in this league if used the correct way.

Like Weeden, ill wait and see how he performs with an offense more suited for him.

Did we overreach for him? Probably. But I'd rather have him than not have him.
I agree. What players were available that we could have targeted instead of Richardson, and then who would our RB be? Also, we want to be running this vertical offense with Colt McCoy? Just saying, it could be (and has been) significantly worse than it is right now. Some of you guys act like becoming a super bowl contender can happen with 1 draft. It doesn't. The Browns have a great nucleus of solid young players, most of which are under contract for several years. Yes, Weeden sucked under the WC offense and playcalling of Pat Shurmur. Yes, Trent didn't have the season we would've liked him to have since we spent the 3rd pick on him, but keep in mind that he played through injury most of the season. He didn't sit out. He wanted to play to do whatever he could to help this team. He's the guy I want. If you don't want him HitsRUs, than you are incredibly ignorant and know very little about a football team. You're probably one of those guys that wanted to draft Tyrann Mathieu, am I right? Sure, let's bring that disease into the locker room to tear down the team and think about himself. The guys we have on our team are solid young pieces (2nd youngest team in the NFL with an average of 26.3 years old) that have a team-first mindset and work hard. If we have the right coach, we will win some games. Belichek could take this team and make them playoff contenders. The problem is not in the rooks and pawns, we just need to find our Bobby Fischer.
Apr 28, 2013 11:52am
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Apr 28, 2013 11:57 AM
like_that;1435243 wrote:Didn't really expect this type of overreaction to stockpiling picks. It's as if you guys thought picks 4-7 were going to put this team on top for the SB. Lets not forget, Gordon was our 2nd round pick, so just look at it as we drafted a 2nd rounder with already 1 year of experience. If they didn't do anything in FA, I could understand the QQing.
I agree. I like what they're doing, honestly. I love that they're willing to wait a year in order to move up an entire round. In all honesty, we're not making the playoffs this year anyways, so why not upgrade your picks an entire round for better quality players. Not only that, but these guys understand that we have to win in the division first, and they're building onto a defensive unit that was already admirable last year despite significant deficiencies. It also tells me that they are very confident in the offensive pieces we have if we didn't draft anything more than an offensive lineman. The moves we have made are for a purpose. It's better than not making any moves at all like the previous regime.
Apr 28, 2013 11:57am
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Apr 28, 2013 12:01 PM
I didnt really like the draft outside of Mingo. My avatar is fitting. Seriously, they made some nice moves in FA (Imo), last year we lost 4-5 games that were decided by a few plays. They arent that far off and we are stockpiling for the future. Not to mention passing on studs in college like Rambo, and taking guys coming off of a torn Achilles instead.

I get it, they are stockpiling for next year, hedging themselves in the more than likely event that Weeden doesnt pan out. I would love to get Bridgewater next year. I understand it, but dont like it. Tired of "next year".
Apr 28, 2013 12:01pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:06 PM
Pick6;1435247 wrote:I didnt really like the draft outside of Mingo. My avatar is fitting. Seriously, they made some nice moves in FA (Imo), last year we lost 4-5 games that were decided by a few plays. They arent that far off and we are stockpiling for the future. Not to mention passing on studs in college like Rambo, and taking guys coming off of a torn Achilles instead.

I get it, they are stockpiling for next year, hedging themselves in the more than likely event that Weeden doesnt pan out. I would love to get Bridgewater next year. I understand it, but dont like it. Tired of "next year".
As a Browns fan, I think this team is in position to be competitive this year. I don't think their thought process was "well we are going to suck this year, so lets just fuck this draft." I think they made moves in the FA to field a competitive team, and hopefully make the playoffs. Next year's draft is meant to make them stronger.
Apr 28, 2013 12:06pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:10 PM
Pick6;1435247 wrote:I didnt really like the draft outside of Mingo. My avatar is fitting. Seriously, they made some nice moves in FA (Imo), last year we lost 4-5 games that were decided by a few plays. They arent that far off and we are stockpiling for the future. Not to mention passing on studs in college like Rambo, and taking guys coming off of a torn Achilles instead.

I get it, they are stockpiling for next year, hedging themselves in the more than likely event that Weeden doesnt pan out. I would love to get Bridgewater next year. I understand it, but dont like it. Tired of "next year".

Unfortunately the new regime wasn't put into a position to not say 'wait til next year'

I really don't see whats so hard to understand about that.
Apr 28, 2013 12:10pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:11 PM
Its like you guys think the regime said "hmmm we can win this year, or stockpile picks next year...the latter it is!"

SMH
Apr 28, 2013 12:11pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Pick6;1435247 wrote: Not to mention passing on studs in college like Rambo, and taking guys coming off of a torn Achilles instead.
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I don't think you understand how the later rounds of the NFL draft works. Teams only draft players they've met with (at the least) or worked out. If they didn't meet or work out Rambo, they weren't going to draft him. Glad to clear that up, because every year people want their team to take so called "college studs" but if their team didn't do any follow up with the tape they look it, their team isn't gonna draft him.
Apr 28, 2013 12:13pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:28 PM
lhslep134;1435253 wrote:I don't think you understand how the later rounds of the NFL draft works. Teams only draft players they've met with (at the least) or worked out. .
I actually dont think that's true.
Apr 28, 2013 12:28pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:35 PM
Too much overreaction...this draft class was awful so they got the one guy they wanted and loaded up picks for a much better class next year. They brought in free agents instead of building through this poor class.
Apr 28, 2013 12:35pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:35 PM
Commander of Awesome;1435262 wrote:I actually dont think that's true.

Lol yeah to be honest I've never heard that. I feel like they definitely have their late round players scouted. But when another team takes them they have to improvise.

Lep do you have a link? Don't mean to directly call you out just don't feel every player taken by every team in the late rounds were directly scouted in depth by the team.
Apr 28, 2013 12:35pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:40 PM
Don't get me wrong....I'm just looking at what happens when you keep changing the front office every few years. Most of the successful franchises have people in place year after year, and a coherent strategy for team building year in and year out. We would have so much better this year, if we would have just kept our numerous picks and drafted the best player available, last year.. You guys want to tout the Josh Gordon pickup and its success by looking at last year's results...well then you have to look at Weeden and Richardson's results too. We could have drafted a pretty damn good player with that pick and certainly left it up to a journeyman QB to get us thru the rebuilding years. Weeden is 30 years old.....and now we are pushing back 'contention' for another year. As for Richardson...he's great if he's not injured. So I expect to see some durability exhibited this year, or he certainly will not be worth spending to move up one spot just to be sure we got him type pick. You can't hold the current front office responsible for this....I'm just looking at this by taking a step back and viewing it from a distance compared to an organization that maintains some stability.
Apr 28, 2013 12:40pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:49 PM
HitsRus;1435267 wrote:Don't get me wrong....I'm just looking at what happens when you keep changing the front office every few years. Most of the successful franchises have people in place year after year, and a coherent strategy for team building year in and year out. We would have so much better this year, if we would have just kept our numerous picks and drafted the best player available, last year.. You guys want to tout the Josh Gordon pickup and its success by looking at last year's results...well then you have to look at Weeden and Richardson's results too. We could have drafted a pretty damn good player with that pick and certainly left it up to a journeyman QB to get us thru the rebuilding years. Weeden is 30 years old.....and now we are pushing back 'contention' for another year. As for Richardson...he's great if he's not injured. So I expect to see some durability exhibited this year, or he certainly will not be worth spending to move up one spot just to be sure we got him type pick. You can't hold the current front office responsible for this....I'm just looking at this by taking a step back and viewing it from a distance compared to an organization that maintains some stability.

Just a lot of mindless jabber in there and no real substance.

Ill save everyone the hassle and give a til;dr:

Hits wanted us to draft perfectly over the last 5 years so that we are contenders now and the front office now can succeed.
Apr 28, 2013 12:49pm
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Apr 28, 2013 12:50 PM
HitsRus;1435267 wrote:Don't get me wrong....I'm just looking at what happens when you keep changing the front office every few years. Most of the successful franchises have people in place year after year, and a coherent strategy for team building year in and year out. We would have so much better this year, if we would have just kept our numerous picks and drafted the best player available, last year.. You guys want to tout the Josh Gordon pickup and its success by looking at last year's results...well then you have to look at Weeden and Richardson's results too. We could have drafted a pretty damn good player with that pick and certainly left it up to a journeyman QB to get us thru the rebuilding years. Weeden is 30 years old.....and now we are pushing back 'contention' for another year. As for Richardson...he's great if he's not injured. So I expect to see some durability exhibited this year, or he certainly will not be worth spending to move up one spot just to be sure we got him type pick. You can't hold the current front office responsible for this....I'm just looking at this by taking a step back and viewing it from a distance compared to an organization that maintains some stability.
I understand what you're saying. I look at Gordon's success as more of a "despite poor QB play and serviceable running game at best" he still produced well. Among rookie WR's last year, he ranked 3rd in yards (trailing #1 by only 60 yards), tied for 3rd in receptions, and tied for 2nd in TD's. Not bad production for a rookie WR in an east and west offense with an inadequate play caller and a rookie QB.
Apr 28, 2013 12:50pm
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Apr 28, 2013 1:02 PM
Commander of Awesome;1435262 wrote:I actually dont think that's true.
Read more into it. You'd be surprised. Very rarely does a team take someone they haven't at the least interviewed. Bill Polian said something about it last year.
Apr 28, 2013 1:02pm
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Apr 28, 2013 1:03 PM
SportsAndLady;1435264 wrote:
Lep do you have a link? Don't mean to directly call you out just don't feel every player taken by every team in the late rounds were directly scouted in depth by the team.
I'll look for one but it's not that direct. Teams draft from their draft board, and their draft board is based on their scouting, who they've interviewed, and who they worked out.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2013/04/24/why-is-my-team-picking-that-guy-nfl-draft/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


That's why when a pick completely flames out, a large part of blame definitely falls on the interaction between scouting and management. There are situations where the FO overrules the scouting department, like the Cowboys.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/cowboys-jones-boys-deflate-own-football-people-draft-130339621.html


I wasn't trying to bullsh*t you guys.
Apr 28, 2013 1:03pm
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Apr 28, 2013 1:04 PM
Kiper's draft analysis for the Browns.

Summary: "I don't know if it's a good thing, per se, but the guy who will impact the Browns most in 2013 might not be the player they took at No. 6 overall. At No. 68 overall, they took Leon McFadden, a much-needed CB who knows how to operate on an island. As I look at the depth chart, I don't see a reason why McFadden can't break camp as the starter across from Joe Haden. That's not a small deal because it also maximizes Buster Skrine, who will be able to spend more time in the slot, where he's much better.
Now, that first pick was Barkevious Mingo, a player I'm at once infatuated with as a talent, but skeptical of because of what I considered production that didn't match up with his talent. Now, Mingo adds depth at outside linebacker, but he's going to need some developmental work because he played with his hand on the ground at LSU. After that, there isn't a lot here that you'll see in 2013.
Jamoris Slaughter could provide depth at safety. The lack of a second-round pick really hurt the Browns, who could have used a higher-rated guard -- though I do think Garrett Gilkey has the chance to start eventually -- and I thought would have been wise to add another inside linebacker. But Josh Gordon is developing and Davone Bess should provide Brandon Weeden with another solid target in the passing game. The hope is Mingo becomes a star, and McFadden can perform early. The good news is, both could happen."
Apr 28, 2013 1:04pm
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Apr 28, 2013 1:23 PM
Let's just shut this thread down and call it a season since our 7th round draft picks aren't impact players:rolleyes:

Nutjobs.
Apr 28, 2013 1:23pm
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Apr 28, 2013 2:10 PM
McShay/Kiper gave the draft a c+ and said trading the 4th and 5th picks were questionable.
Apr 28, 2013 2:10pm
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Apr 28, 2013 2:23 PM
In a draft with zero sure things I'm not sure how any grade can be given serious consideration.
Apr 28, 2013 2:23pm