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noclafmc

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Dec 21, 2009 8:03 AM
How can a ref DQ a kid for an abrasion after he had been cleared by a doctor wrestled a match then DQ'd? Seems counterintuative to me but not being a doctor or ref I need help. :huh:
Dec 21, 2009 8:03am
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Joe Daugherty

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243 posts
Dec 21, 2009 9:01 AM
noclafmc wrote: How can a ref DQ a kid for an abrasion after he had been cleared by a doctor wrestled a match then DQ'd? Seems counterintuative to me but not being a doctor or ref I need help. :huh:
I have been waiting for this to come up!
I look at it two ways.
1) First and foremost , the official is always correct when it comes to the safety of the wrestlers. It is his responsibility to ensure the safety of all wrestlers on his mat.
2)If there is a doctors note and it is legible and legit. Then liability would fall on the doctor. I would think.
Why would the officials allow him to wrestle the first match and not the second?
I think we need Refman on this one. Car 54 where are you??
Was it oooozing? Was it obviously ringworm? etc..... You see what I am getting at.
Personally, if I had a doctors note, and the head official or weigh inn official accepted the doctors note, I would argue all the way.
What is the use in even having medical waivers if they are not going to be upheld?
More details please ! I am so bored at work and have not had a good topic to chat about since JJ went pay. :(
Dec 21, 2009 9:01am
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noclafmc

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Dec 21, 2009 9:27 AM
Mat burn on chin, had Dr note, was cleared by Dr at weigh-ins, wrestled a match then one PEACH of a ref one might even say a doll DQ'd him.
Dec 21, 2009 9:27am
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Fab1b

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Dec 21, 2009 9:48 AM
If the official feels there is still a safety concern he can say the wrestler cannot compete. Remember the official has to get on the mat with this as well as the wrestler. I have not allowed kids to compete myself even though they had a valid dr's note because I was concerned with safety issues. I will tell you this as an official, if I feel there is a safety concern I rule on the side of safety each time. In today's sue happy society I am not going to court to battle anyone or ponying up any cash to anyone. Officials have to protect themselves against legal action too much now and if that means a kid can't wrestle because of safety regarding a potentially contageous skin condition so be it!
Dec 21, 2009 9:48am
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 21, 2009 10:02 AM
Fab1b wrote: If the official feels there is still a safety concern he can say the wrestler cannot compete. Remember the official has to get on the mat with this as well as the wrestler. I have not allowed kids to compete myself even though they had a valid dr's note because I was concerned with safety issues. I will tell you this as an official, if I feel there is a safety concern I rule on the side of safety each time. In today's sue happy society I am not going to court to battle anyone or ponying up any cash to anyone. Officials have to protect themselves against legal action too much now and if that means a kid can't wrestle because of safety regarding a potentially contageous skin condition so be it!
1) First and foremost , the official is always correct when it comes to the safety of the wrestlers. It is his responsibility to ensure the safety of all wrestlers on his mat.
PS. Fab1b, That was a very fast response to a distress cal! Car 54 where are you?? Come on that was funny!
Dec 21, 2009 10:02am
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noclafmc

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Dec 21, 2009 10:04 AM
How do you suppose his mat burn became infectious after his first match? Also with many blood borne illnesses what about cuts and nose bleeds? I don't follow court TV but have never heard of a law suit against an official might be some bloviation ongoing here.
Dec 21, 2009 10:04am
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 21, 2009 10:09 AM
noclafmc wrote: How do you suppose his mat burn became infectious after his first match? Also with many blood borne illnesses what about cuts and nose bleeds? I don't follow court TV but have never heard of a law suit against an official might be some bloviation ongoing here.
:huh:orate verbosely and windily=bloviation
Wow, you are blowing me away here!
It's all hind sight but kind of like trying to argue with a Judge after he has past sentence , No? I do understand your frustration. I would also argue the same point. Did you get the Dr. that was at the mat side to argue for you?
Dec 21, 2009 10:09am
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Refman

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Dec 21, 2009 10:11 AM
The referee cannot over rule a on site designated doc.

Fab1b....your statement..."the official is always correct when it comes to the safety of the wrestlers"...isn't always correct. I have seen some very zealous young referees DQ a kid because of dry skin!
Dec 21, 2009 10:11am
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 21, 2009 10:13 AM
Refman wrote: The referee cannot over rule a on site designated doc.

Fab1b....your statement..."the official is always correct when it comes to the safety of the wrestlers"...isn't always correct. I have seen some very zealous young referees DQ a kid because of dry skin!
At the doughnut shop? :D
This is awesome! I learned something today! Thanks Refman!
Dec 21, 2009 10:13am
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Refman

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Dec 21, 2009 10:16 AM
Joe..was there a doc on site?
Dec 21, 2009 10:16am
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falcon81

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Dec 21, 2009 10:39 AM
Give me a break a ref is not a doctor. If there was a clear skin waiver the ref should not play doctor. Was any attempt made to tape it ? That would seem to be a reasonable compromise . Has this ref overturned doctors before
Dec 21, 2009 10:39am
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 21, 2009 10:42 AM
noclafmc wrote: Mat burn on chin, had Dr note, was cleared by Dr at weigh-ins, wrestled a match then one PEACH of a ref one might even say a doll DQ'd him.
Reffman, according to the originator of this thread , Yes there was a Dr. at weigh inns.Not sure about Mat side.
Dec 21, 2009 10:42am
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Fab1b

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Dec 21, 2009 12:48 PM
Refman wrote: The referee cannot over rule a on site designated doc.

Fab1b....your statement..."the official is always correct when it comes to the safety of the wrestlers"...isn't always correct. I have seen some very zealous young referees DQ a kid because of dry skin!
I never said the official is always correct!! That was not from my post. I said the official has the right to rule on anything regarding safety per the rule book wheter you like the ref's decision or not. You (not you refman, you are) are not liable for the safety of other wrestlers the referee is. Also skin conditions can change in appearance from the time the doctor inspected until the time you see it at weigh ins. Now if there is a doctor present that can do an inspection right after the weigh in I would not overrule that doctor present!
Dec 21, 2009 12:48pm
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Joe Daugherty

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Dec 21, 2009 1:17 PM
No, I said the ref is always right.
Can't blame me for trying to get Brownie points can you?????
I learned something new today !
Dec 21, 2009 1:17pm
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Fab1b

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Dec 21, 2009 1:24 PM
I know refs are not always right, and I am not always right out there either. When called on it, if it can be corrected I promptly do so. I am not a doctor, never claimed to be one but on this matter there is too much liabiliity on the official if something goes wrong. That is what parents need to understand. Coaches and other officials should understand that as well.
Dec 21, 2009 1:24pm
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hang_loose

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Dec 22, 2009 10:51 PM
Are the rules concerning this about the same in Florida as in Ohio???

Are there any major rule differences between Ohio and other states???
Dec 22, 2009 10:51pm
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Fab1b

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Dec 22, 2009 10:58 PM
Florida doesn't deviate much from the National Federation. Florida has their own specific form we use for skin problems but it is very similar to the National Form.
Dec 22, 2009 10:58pm
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Refman

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Dec 23, 2009 11:45 PM
falcon 81....if you understood the rules...you wouldn't ask the question about why it was covered. Just so you know...by rule....nothing can be taped to make it legal. That is the way it used to be done, and that was changed years ago. If something doesn't look right to the referee, he has the option by rule, not to let the kid wrestle. Taping cant make something ok to wrestle.
Now...if a kid is ok to wrestle...a trainer can tape an area to keep it from opening etc, but again....just cant tape somethign to cover to make it ok.
Dec 23, 2009 11:45pm
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Fab1b

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Dec 24, 2009 8:23 AM
^Right and also kids cannot weigh in with any tape or coverings on. If I allow a kid to wrestle that has a valid note I will ask them to tape or cover the area just for added protection but as refman stated by rule taping or covering does not make it ok to wrestle.
Dec 24, 2009 8:23am
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fb167

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Dec 26, 2009 9:25 AM
Here is my two cents. Last year at the Hoover Holiday Tournament one of my kids were wrestling someone (2nd Rd of Championship-Friday night) who had been cleared at weigh-ins, however this wreslter had an obvious condition on his arm about the size of a quarter if not bigger. How they made it through skin checks, I don't know, did he have a paper, yes. The ref still DQ him and it was the right decision--absolutely. It was not scabbed over. Sometimes the doctors writing the notes only put dates on there because of how typical rashes respond to the treatments. That does not mean they always respond that quickly. The ref in that situation acted correctly.

What I didn't realize then, but was brought to my attention about a couple of weeks later, was that another team was competing there with a couple of wrestlers who had impetigo and it was covered up. I know of about four teams who then had to deal with a outbreak on their squads (mine included). The only reason, I even found out about the other team, was a adminstrator with either Hoover of the tournament called my AD and inquired if we were having any problems. The fact is that there are teams who try to conceal conditions or cover them up so they don't look so bad. As a coach he struggled to keep his kids (not just varsity but JV who contracted impetigo from after it got into my room) if a ref has to make a judgement now, I respect if completely.
Dec 26, 2009 9:25am
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tcby99

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Dec 26, 2009 4:37 PM
skins issues are part of the downfall of this great sport.
Dec 26, 2009 4:37pm