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2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM
Skyhook79;1065252 wrote:4.4 is speedy and a 4.5 is not ,ok NFA.:rolleyes: I care more about whether they can catch the dang gone ball.
They need a burner to pose a deep threat. If you have a bunch of 4.5/4.6 guys that can't stretch the field, your offense is limited. They already have PLENTY of those guys.

Whether it's offense OR defense, this team needs SPEED. I think they are the slowest, least athletic team in the league.
Jan 25, 2012 1:40pm
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Jan 25, 2012 1:44 PM
BR1986FB;1065257 wrote:They need a burner to pose a deep threat. If you have a bunch of 4.5/4.6 guys that can't stretch the field, your offense is limited. They already have PLENTY of those guys.

Whether it's offense OR defense, this team needs SPEED. I think they are the slowest, least athletic team in the league.
Who does NE have that has ever stretched the field for them? They have a bunch of guys who catch the ball. The problem is the Browns do not have anyone who can throw the ball.
Jan 25, 2012 1:44pm
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Jan 25, 2012 1:47 PM
Skyhook79;1065267 wrote:Who does NE have that has ever stretched the field for them? They have a bunch of guys who catch the ball. The problem is the Browns do not have anyone who can throw the ball.
Had Randy Moss.

Agree with your last point.
Jan 25, 2012 1:47pm
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Jan 25, 2012 1:57 PM
BR1986FB;1065272 wrote:Had Randy Moss.

Agree with your last point.
Didn't win any of their Super Bowls with Moss though...
Jan 25, 2012 1:57pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:04 PM
http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/25/mike-sherman-to-have-second-interview-with-buccaneers-today/?sct=hp_t2_a9&eref=sihp

Mike Sherman having his second interview with the Bucs today, sounds like he is a serious candidate now that Chip Kelly went back to Oregon.

Looks like Chilly could be the man as offensive coordinator here is Sherman goes to Tampa.

I wonder if Holmgren will call the Old Gun Slinger and ask him about Chilly's qualifications as far as calling plays in the West Coast System.
Jan 25, 2012 2:04pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:11 PM
IggyPride00;1065313 wrote:http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/25/mike-sherman-to-have-second-interview-with-buccaneers-today/?sct=hp_t2_a9&eref=sihp

Mike Sherman having his second interview with the Bucs today, sounds like he is a serious candidate now that Chip Kelly went back to Oregon.

Looks like Chilly could be the man as offensive coordinator here is Sherman goes to Tampa.

I wonder if Holmgren will call the Old Gun Slinger and ask him about Chilly's qualifications as far as calling plays in the West Coast System.
You watch, they will "promote" Whipple from within to be the OC. After yesterday's Prince Fielder deal I'm waiting for the second shoe to drop on Cleveland sports. :(
Jan 25, 2012 2:11pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:17 PM
BR1986FB;1065330 wrote:You watch, they will "promote" Whipple from within to be the OC. After yesterday's Prince Fielder deal I'm waiting for the second shoe to drop on Cleveland sports. :(
I thought I had heard they have soured on him after the poor year McCoy had considering he showed no real improvement.

Can you really promote from within on a staff that was responsible for one of the worst offenses in NFL history?

Sherman was really the homerun as far as an OC would go. He had a really good run with the Packers as head coach, and would bring some respectability to that side of the ball as he at least has a proven track record of success in the league.
Jan 25, 2012 2:17pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:20 PM
IggyPride00;1065342 wrote: Can you really promote from within on a staff that was responsible for one of the worst offenses in NFL history?
As long as they're a Lamonte client they can. ;)
Jan 25, 2012 2:20pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:23 PM
Pats had Deion Branch... who was a legit deep threat, when he was in his prime.

David Givens was a great compliment, and Troy Brown was a great slot WR. Neither could be called speedy though.

Didn't Heckert have a say in the decision to draft McNabb? Or was that before he got there?

I'm intrigued by the thought of taking Blackmon and Weeden... RG3 and Jeffery/Adams/Wright is the sexier move though.

What does everyone think of Kendall Wright? He could be an option at #22, if they're looking for a WR at that spot, and Alshon Jeffery is off the board.
Jan 25, 2012 2:23pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:31 PM
McNabb was pre-Heckert.

I like Kendall Wright. Gets a lot of comparisons to Mike Wallace and lord knows they NEED speed.
Jan 25, 2012 2:31pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:33 PM
BR1986FB;1065330 wrote:You watch, they will "promote" Whipple from within to be the OC. After yesterday's Prince Fielder deal I'm waiting for the second shoe to drop on Cleveland sports. :(

Wait...were Indians fans expecting dolan to sign fielder?
Jan 25, 2012 2:33pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:34 PM
BTrev;1065352 wrote:Pats had Deion Branch... who was a legit deep threat, when he was in his prime.

David Givens was a great compliment, and Troy Brown was a great slot WR. Neither could be called speedy though.

Didn't Heckert have a say in the decision to draft McNabb? Or was that before he got there?

I'm intrigued by the thought of taking Blackmon and Weeden... RG3 and Jeffery/Adams/Wright is the sexier move though.

What does everyone think of Kendall Wright? He could be an option at #22, if they're looking for a WR at that spot, and Alshon Jeffery is off the board.
Wright will probably be the 2nd WR taken, so I can't see him being there at #22. I'd rather go after Garcon in FA, and get Sanu with the first pick of the 2nd round. Use the 2nd first rounder for a DE/LB. This is assuming they go after RGIII with their first pick.
Jan 25, 2012 2:34pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:34 PM
BR1986FB;1065356 wrote:McNabb was pre-Heckert.

I like Kendall Wright. Gets a lot of comparisons to Mike Wallace and lord knows they NEED speed.

You are obsessed with Mike Wallace lol
Jan 25, 2012 2:34pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:38 PM
BR1986FB;1065356 wrote:McNabb was pre-Heckert.

I like Kendall Wright. Gets a lot of comparisons to Mike Wallace and lord knows they NEED speed.
I agree, speed has worked great for the Raiders. We need WR's that can creat separation and catch the damn ball.
Jan 25, 2012 2:38pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:38 PM
SportsAndLady;1065357 wrote:Wait...were Indians fans expecting dolan to sign fielder?
No, but the impact his going to Detroit has is pretty crushing for a Tribe fan.
Jan 25, 2012 2:38pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM
se-alum;1065363 wrote:I agree, speed has worked great for the Raiders. We need WR's that can creat separation and catch the damn ball.
Ummm...that's assumed. Did I say "hey, let's get a bunch of guys who can run 4.2's with stubs for arms?"
Jan 25, 2012 2:39pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:41 PM
SportsAndLady;1065360 wrote:You are obsessed with Mike Wallace lol
You wouldn't want him on the Browns opposite of Little?
Jan 25, 2012 2:41pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:47 PM
BR1986FB;1065365 wrote:Ummm...that's assumed. Did I say "hey, let's get a bunch of guys who can run 4.2's with stubs for arms?"
I'm saying, imo, speed is overrated. Give me a guy that runs sharp routes and can catch the ball over a speed guy w/ average hands. You can get deep routes with your scheme and good route running. Guys like Rice and TO weren't what would be considered fast, but they caught plenty of deep balls. Speed is pretty far down the list when I'm looking for a #1 WR.
Jan 25, 2012 2:47pm
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Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM
se-alum;1065371 wrote:I'm saying, imo, speed is overrated. Give me a guy that runs sharp routes and can catch the ball over a speed guy w/ average hands. You can get deep routes with your scheme and good route running. Guys like Rice and TO weren't what would be considered fast, but they caught plenty of deep balls. Speed is pretty far down the list when I'm looking for a #1 WR.
The whole receiving corps doesn't need to be blazing but you do need one. A bunch of 4.5/4.6 guys like Blackmon/Little/Cribbs/MoMass will limit the offense.
Jan 25, 2012 2:56pm