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Jun 2, 2011 8:52 PM
robj55;788979 wrote:From a competitive standpoint, not a financial one.

Lol, that's all that really matters though.
Jun 2, 2011 8:52pm
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Jun 2, 2011 8:56 PM
hoops23;788982 wrote:Lol, that's all that really matters though.

then why make a big deal about a hard cap in basketball if you don't in other sports? i'm confused
Jun 2, 2011 8:56pm
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Jun 2, 2011 8:57 PM
hoops23;788982 wrote:Lol, that's all that really matters though.

The NBA has been awful for years, but why would they change anything....the ratings are up and that is all Stern cares about. Hell, I have no desire to watch the finals, but I am in the minority. I heard this morning that the ratings are up from last year....I was surprised just because of the two markets that were in it last year. FUCK THE NBA and their lousy ass product.
Jun 2, 2011 8:57pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:11 PM
robj55;788993 wrote:then why make a big deal about a hard cap in basketball if you don't in other sports? i'm confused

Because the MLB isn't the NBA. 1 or even 2 stars won't dominate in baseball like they can in a game of basketball. Does this really need explained to you?

Look at the parity between the two leagues. It's no contest.
Jun 2, 2011 9:11pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:13 PM
hoops23;789021 wrote:Because the MLB isn't the NBA. 1 or even 2 stars won't dominate in baseball like they can in a game of basketball. Does this really need explained to you?

Look at the parity between the two leagues. It's no contest.

I understand that point but why penalize teams for following the rules, they did nothing illegal.
Jun 2, 2011 9:13pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:15 PM
robj55;789023 wrote:they did nothing illegal.

Haha
Jun 2, 2011 9:15pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:16 PM
Gilberts leading the charge, so I guess its just because hes mad he got burnt would be my guess. But ill drop it in this thread since its about the Cavs off season
Jun 2, 2011 9:16pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:17 PM
BR1986FB;789024 wrote:Haha

I understand you don't agree with it but Miami had the cap and signed them.
Jun 2, 2011 9:17pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:17 PM
robj55;789030 wrote:I understand you don't agree with it but Miami had the cap and signed them.

He probably thinks they conspired to do this(would be my guess, im not sure)
Jun 2, 2011 9:17pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:18 PM
robj55;789023 wrote:I understand that point but why penalize teams for following the rules, they did nothing illegal.

Nobody said anything about illegal.

However, I wouldn't expect the ratings to be as high next season. people are interested in this Heat experiment, but that interest will die down. I believe the NBA lost a lot of money again this year.

I think some changes are needed. The NBA does do some things good, such as the rookie cap and the bird rights, but a soft cap is lame and so is the MLE.
Jun 2, 2011 9:18pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:18 PM
Hb31187;789032 wrote:He probably thinks they conspired to do this(would be my guess, im not sure)

The players definitely did, but there is nothing illegal about it.
Jun 2, 2011 9:18pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:20 PM
Hb31187;789032 wrote:He probably thinks they conspired to do this(would be my guess, im not sure)

Well I think they did, but it is what it is. I mean, they began "talking" about back in the '08 Olympics.
Jun 2, 2011 9:20pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:20 PM
wes_mantooth;789037 wrote:The players definitely did, but there is nothing illegal about it.

Yeah, so im not really sure why he laughed at someoen saying they did nothing illegal
Jun 2, 2011 9:20pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:20 PM
robj55;789030 wrote:I understand you don't agree with it but Miami had the cap and signed them.

Oh, I understand Miami had the cap completely but I still think there was collusion with Riley using Wade as his "messenger." The whole "let's join forces" shit had been going on years prior to that. In NBA "terms" was it technically "legal?" Sure but it wasn't.
Jun 2, 2011 9:20pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:20 PM
I think a hard cap is stupid for the sole purpose of breaking up the "super teams". The idea behind it is to help smaller market teams remain in the black while being able to field a competitive team, which is a good thing.
Jun 2, 2011 9:20pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:20 PM
hoops23;789036 wrote:Nobody said anything about illegal.

However, I wouldn't expect the ratings to be as high next season. people are interested in this Heat experiment, but that interest will die down. I believe the NBA lost a lot of money again this year.

I think some changes are needed. The NBA does do some things good, such as the rookie cap and the bird rights, but a soft cap is lame and so is the MLE.

I'm all for a closer group of teams top to bottom, but front offices and scouts are to blame for a lot of that, some teams make a lot of stupid moves which set them back even further from the field. I do like the rookie cap and think football needs this badly.
Jun 2, 2011 9:20pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:21 PM
BR1986FB;789041 wrote:Oh, I understand Miami had the cap completely but I still think there was collusion with Riley using Wade as his "messenger." The whole "let's join forces" shit had been going on years prior to that. In NBA "terms" was it technically "legal?" Sure but it wasn't.

I'm sure it started a few years ago at the 08 olympics.
Jun 2, 2011 9:21pm
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Jun 2, 2011 9:32 PM
The shift toward favoring a hard cap has been occurring since before the Heat came together. Early last year the owners proposed getting rid of the luxury tax system and reducing max contract amounts and length. It wasn't a complete hard cap proposal then, but it was already moving that way. The Big 3 thing may have pushed it over the top, but they definitely weren't the cause of it.
Jun 2, 2011 9:32pm
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Jun 2, 2011 10:32 PM
BR1986FB;789041 wrote:Oh, I understand Miami had the cap completely but I still think there was collusion with Riley using Wade as his "messenger." The whole "let's join forces" shit had been going on years prior to that. In NBA "terms" was it technically "legal?" Sure but it wasn't.

Definitely man.
Jun 2, 2011 10:32pm
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Jun 2, 2011 11:10 PM
When I read that Stern doesn't like what happened in Miami I quit reading.

Miami played by the same rules that the Lakers and Celtics play by. It's not changing.
Jun 2, 2011 11:10pm
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Jun 3, 2011 12:15 AM
thedynasty1998;789395 wrote:When I read that Stern doesn't like what happened in Miami I quit reading.

Miami played by the same rules that the Lakers and Celtics play by. It's not changing.

+1,000,000
Jun 3, 2011 12:15am
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Jun 3, 2011 12:22 AM
thedynasty1998;789395 wrote:When I read that Stern doesn't like what happened in Miami I quit reading.

Miami played by the same rules that the Lakers and Celtics play by. It's not changing.

Huh?

LA and Boston assembled their teams by trade...

Miami cleared house, (honestly, does ANY team clear the entire roster unless they "know"?) and signed LeBron and Bosh..

Come on now.
Jun 3, 2011 12:22am
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Jun 3, 2011 7:48 AM
hoops23;789598 wrote:Huh?

LA and Boston assembled their teams by trade...

Miami cleared house, (honestly, does ANY team clear the entire roster unless they "know"?) and signed LeBron and Bosh..

Come on now.

I stopped reading when Dynasty started posting because I knew he'd be spewing his stupid nonsense. :rolleyes: I'll have to dig back into the archives but when LeChoke first announced his decision (or maybe prior to it), Stern made a comment that came across as "not being thrilled" that James left (or could leave) Cleveland.

Your second part is what they don't get. Bosh & LBJ decided to "join forces" in Miami. Guys like Gasol & Garnett were TRADED to their respective teams....BIG difference.
Jun 3, 2011 7:48am
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Jun 3, 2011 8:05 AM
BR1986FB;789710 wrote:I stopped reading when Dynasty started posting because I knew he'd be spewing his stupid nonsense. :rolleyes: I'll have to dig back into the archives but when LeChoke first announced his decision (or maybe prior to it), Stern made a comment that came across as "not being thrilled" that James left (or could leave) Cleveland.

Your second part is what they don't get. Bosh & LBJ decided to "join forces" in Miami. Guys like Gasol & Garnett were TRADED to their respective teams....BIG difference.
They all played within the rules. You know the Lakers have the highest paid roster in the NBA right? The NBA wants the larger market teams to be good because it's the best for their business model.

And I think Stern had to say that and probably disagreed more so with the TV skeptical.
Jun 3, 2011 8:05am
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Jun 3, 2011 8:10 AM
Michael Wilbon would agree with me:

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=6607347
Jun 3, 2011 8:10am