ZombieKiller;492825 wrote:why would Vick want to ruin his career by going to the Browns? He is better off going back to jail.

justincredible;492847 wrote:Browns wouldn't have to give up a 1st round pick to get Vick if Philly was going to trade him, anyway.

Hb31187;492795 wrote:Vick would help the browns more than any player they could draft with that #1 pick. He still has his explosiveness so if the browns line keeps allowing the QB to be pressured he has the ability to escape. He would force teams to basically put a spy on him which is 1 less defender geared towards stopping the run or dropping back in coverage. He has 5 or 6 good years left in him, and you KNOW what you're going to get with him, if you draft a player, you have no idea how he will pan out (and in the browns case usually doesnt end up well). And hed put butts in seats and sell tickets. Its a win win win

Hb31187;492795 wrote:Vick would help the browns more than any player they could draft with that #1 pick. He still has his explosiveness so if the browns line keeps allowing the QB to be pressured he has the ability to escape. He would force teams to basically put a spy on him which is 1 less defender geared towards stopping the run or dropping back in coverage. He has 5 or 6 good years left in him, and you KNOW what you're going to get with him, if you draft a player, you have no idea how he will pan out (and in the browns case usually doesnt end up well). And hed put butts in seats and sell tickets. Its a win win win

like_that;492945 wrote:You are out of your mind thinking he has 5-6 good years left in him. First thing to go when you are older is your athletic ability, aka Vick's speed. That's pretty much Vick's game as he only relies on his speed. He isn't even going to be close to having the same speed 5-6 years from now.

Commander of Awesome;492936 wrote:Maybe we should trade first round picks for Farve and Portis/Larry Johnson/TO/Tomilson/Jason Taylor and the sign Jerry Rice to a $50 mil deal to "put butts in the seats"; even though Cleveland sells out every game anyways. I realize youre a fan of a fair weather team, but Cleveland doesnt need "one player" to sell out, LOLFAIL.

Commander of Awesome;492924 wrote:This is the DUMBEST fucking thing I have ever seen posted on OC. And based on the talent that posts here thats a big statement. Trading a top 5 pick for an aging QB with mediocre speed because he played a decent game with top talent in the NFL around him against the god damn lions. LMAO. WOW HB/rydawg5 you may have just passed Gibby/TyWebb/AlCapone/ArtModell/Dynasty as the biggest idiots to post on OC. Congrats. Nice FAIL morons.

Edit to add Jordo/S&L (Nice OU fail)/deydurkie to the list.

Hb31187;493042 wrote:I really do not think he slows down THAT much in the next 5 years. He'll slow down sure, but he'll still be at about a 4.5 IMO. And im nto saying you have to sign him long term, but if you get a few good years out of him its better than rolling the dice on drafting a player bc the browns havent had much if any luck at drafting aside from Joe Thomas

Commander of Awesome;493109 wrote:Trading a 1st round pick for an aging mediocre QB/good athlete, LMAO. Also he's in the last year of his deal, thus have to give him a fat new contract, nice FAIL. Oh wait, you don't think it would cost that much to sign him huh? Oh nice assumption, dont bother posting, I already know your failsponse.

New sheirff in town with a proven GM (Heckert, proven draft record -see Eagles), and a team president with a proven Offensive mind. I would like to see what they can come up with in the draft. So far with Haden and TJ Ward, they're looking good.

Hb31187;493112 wrote: Okay we'll see how you do with your new GM (your picks this year are workign out wonderfully this year btw)

Commander of Awesome;493109 wrote:
New sheirff in town with a proven GM (Heckert, proven draft record -see Eagles), and a team president with a proven Offensive mind. I would like to see what they can come up with in the draft. So far with Haden and TJ Ward, they're looking good.

Hb31187;493121 wrote:Didnt say first round picks did i?

Rotinaj;493107 wrote:How could Kolb go from being named the starter on sunday to being on the trading block that fast???

BR1986FB;493129 wrote:Which is why I don't think Vick will be on their radar. A #1 WR is the MOST glaring need on this offense and if they won't take a shot at Vincent Jackson, with his past troubles, I doubt they take a flier on Vick.

Heckert has already said how much they value draft picks and how they will build through the draft. Browns fans aren't going to want to hear this because we've suffered enough but fans are going to have to be patient until they've had a chance to do a few drafts. My biggest fear is that if they DO fire Mangini and bring in a 4-3 coach like Gruden (who I'm not sold on), they will have to overhaul the defense AGAIN to find players that fit the scheme.

If they completely tank this year I will say that Holmgren is partially to blame. Not because he got Delhomme & Wallace but because he stuck with Mangini and allowed him to keep that shitbag Daboll. Most new regimes blow it up and start with their own guys but Holmgren didn't think it was "fair" to fire Mangini after one season.

Does this mean I've lost faith in Holmgren? Not at all but he will have to shoulder some blame for keeping Mangini and setting the franchise back an extra year if this team ends up with a miserable record this year.

rydawg5;493072 wrote:what is dumb to me is passing up on someone established like Vick to draft another top 10 pick who will be in Cleveland for 3 years before we trade him away for a 4th round pick or cut him.

You tell me how our #1 picks for the last 11 years has built our team? where is our franchise qb?

You are exaggerating to the point where you can't even be taken seriously about Vicks degrading abilities.

Since 1999 tell me 1 Browns QB who was as good as Vick? We have had plenty of first round picks to resolve this issue.. They failed.

Also (build our team through draft).. how many of our 1st round picks since 1999 did we get that have been here 4 plus years as a starter?

The Browns have and continue to fail at drafting. Why not get a guy for 4-5 years who can make real plays and win games?