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Nov 23, 2009 4:17 PM
And their heisman winning quarterback and the best TE in the country have played a combined 1 game this year... Still almost beat Texas, Miami and BYU, destroyed a ranked Kansas team, and slipped up against Nebraska. Texas Tech I'm chalking up to the idea that the team knew about Notre Dame.
Nov 23, 2009 4:17pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:18 PM
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: 0-5 in the last 5 BCS games. 1-4 against Texas the past 5 years.

People give Tressel and OSU heat, but talk about a team that cannot win big BCS games. I cannot understand how Stoops has been able to not get heat in the National media.
Stoops has gotten some heat from the national media. Not sure how you missed it.

As for his recent shortcomings in BCS bowls.....maybe he just needs a change of scenery.
Its been nowhere near the amount of shit Tressel has gotten, not even close.

Stoops had great early success but hasn't been able to win the big games lately imo. I'd rather have ND go after Meyer who has been rolling lately or Kelly who is very similar to Meyer just on a smaller scale. Both have won everywhere they went and built programs that are currently undefeated.
Nov 23, 2009 4:18pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:21 PM
I lol'ed at the argument of the ranked Kansas team. Look at who Kansas played before they entered the tough part of the B12 and now look at them 6 losses in a row and their coach about to be fired.
Nov 23, 2009 4:21pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:21 PM
devil1197 wrote:
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: 0-5 in the last 5 BCS games. 1-4 against Texas the past 5 years.

People give Tressel and OSU heat, but talk about a team that cannot win big BCS games. I cannot understand how Stoops has been able to not get heat in the National media.
Stoops has gotten some heat from the national media. Not sure how you missed it.

As for his recent shortcomings in BCS bowls.....maybe he just needs a change of scenery.
Its been nowhere near the amount of shit Tressel has gotten, not even close.

Stoops had great early success but hasn't been able to win the big games lately imo. I'd rather have ND go after Meyer who has been rolling lately or Kelly who is very similar to Meyer just on a smaller scale. Both have won everywhere they went and built programs that are currently undefeated.
That is because you live in Ohio, go to Oklahoma and you would think Stoops gets it a whole hell of a lot worse.
Nov 23, 2009 4:21pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:25 PM
Steel, I am strictly talking national media when talking college football. Its always OSU/Tressel can't win big games but you rarely hear talk of Oklahoma not getting it done.

If you are trying to build a program that has fallen short lately in big games, I don't think the correct focus is to go with a guy that has lost 5 straight BCS games and 4 out of 5 to his rival. That's all my argument is based on. Stoops has done great things at Oklahoma but most were early on (BCS Title and BCS W) and lately the Sooners have been falling flat on the big stage.
Nov 23, 2009 4:25pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:43 PM
Saying you wouldn't want Stoops as your coach would be the same as saying you wouldn't want Tressel, that's just ridiculous. ND would be simply goofy to go another direction if Stoops wanted the job.

Kelly, while doing well at UC, just doesn't appear to have the ability handle the pressure that would certainly be HEAPED on him @ ND. One only need to see him on the sidelines during the WVU game to see this is true.
Nov 23, 2009 4:43pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:44 PM
Well if Stoops isn't good enough, than who is?

That is an incredibly high standard to set considering the resumes of the last 3 (4, if counting O'Leary) head coach hirings at ND. There is a very short list of coaches who have better reputations than Bob Stoops. I would be ecstatic to get Stoops.
Nov 23, 2009 4:44pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:47 PM
I'd be fine with Stoops also but as ND, with tradition and $$$, you better be calling the coaches at the moment who are "hot". Kelly and Meyer top the list imo.

I am not saying Stoops is a horrible selection, but he wouldn't be my 1st choice if I were ND.
Nov 23, 2009 4:47pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:49 PM
devil1197 wrote:
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: 0-5 in the last 5 BCS games. 1-4 against Texas the past 5 years.

People give Tressel and OSU heat, but talk about a team that cannot win big BCS games. I cannot understand how Stoops has been able to not get heat in the National media.
Stoops has gotten some heat from the national media. Not sure how you missed it.

As for his recent shortcomings in BCS bowls.....maybe he just needs a change of scenery.
Its been nowhere near the amount of shit Tressel has gotten, not even close.

Stoops had great early success but hasn't been able to win the big games lately imo. I'd rather have ND go after Meyer who has been rolling lately or Kelly who is very similar to Meyer just on a smaller scale. Both have won everywhere they went and built programs that are currently undefeated.

I think Tressel has taken a lot more shit because his team's conference has not fared well in bowl games and big OOC games recently and that supplements his BCS Bowl losses. The Big 10 seems to be viewed as an average conference at best. It's not just Tressel and OSU....the whole Big 10 takes shit and while some of it has been over the top it hasn't been completely unwarranted either. Furthermore, Bob Stoops has won some pretty big games recently....

Last season
#24 TCU 35-10
#16 Kansas 45-31
#2 Texas Tech 65-21
#12 Okie State 61-41
#20 Mizzou 62-21
unranked at time of meeting Cincinnati 52-26 (Cincy ended up ranked 17th in final poll)

Oklahoma had two 10-point losses last season to the teams who ended up #1 and #4 in the final polls (Florida and Texas).
Nov 23, 2009 4:49pm
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Nov 23, 2009 4:56 PM
killer, do you honestly consider those big games outside of the TT game I mean I don't consider OSU beating #20 MSU, #18 Wisconsin, #24 Northwestern last year "big" game wins which are similar to the TCU/Mizzou/Kansas games you listed above.

Once again, I am not saying Stoops is a poor choice but if a program like ND is looking for another HC you cannot miss again. Go after the guys that are hot and winning NOW.

ND cannot afford another coach that flops imo. They need to take extra time on this process and truly figure out who the best man for the job is.
Nov 23, 2009 4:56pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:02 PM
The fact Tressel gets shit along with the Big10 is all true but irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is, when you have a coach like Tressel, Mack Brown, Stoops, Meyer et. al...you don't wonder in the offseason where you're going to be ranked pre-season, whether or not you're going to be in a position to make a run at the NCG.... you KNOW it. That hasn't been true for ND for quite some time and if they want to be in that position (which they do of course) they need to go the way of the coach with a proven track record and stop with all the damn experiments.
Nov 23, 2009 5:02pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:06 PM
devil1197 wrote: killer, do you honestly consider those big games outside of the TT game I mean I don't consider OSU beating #20 MSU, #18 Wisconsin, #24 Northwestern last year "big" game wins which are similar to the TCU/Mizzou/Kansas games you listed above.

Once again, I am not saying Stoops is a poor choice but if a program like ND is looking for another HC you cannot miss again. Go after the guys that are hot and winning NOW.
I do consider those big games if those teams finished the season ranked. Do you really discount their 52-26 win over a Cincy team that finished ranked 17th last season? It was OOC and in hindsight is a pretty big win in my eyes. TCU ended up ranked 7th in the final poll. Texas Tech 12th, Okie State 16th, Cincy 17th, Mizzou 19th.

Wisconsin and Northwestern didn't end up ranked in last season's final poll. I'll give them MSU though.
Nov 23, 2009 5:06pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:10 PM
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: killer, do you honestly consider those big games outside of the TT game I mean I don't consider OSU beating #20 MSU, #18 Wisconsin, #24 Northwestern last year "big" game wins which are similar to the TCU/Mizzou/Kansas games you listed above.

Once again, I am not saying Stoops is a poor choice but if a program like ND is looking for another HC you cannot miss again. Go after the guys that are hot and winning NOW.
I do consider those big games if those teams finished the season ranked. Do you really discount their 52-26 win over a Cincy team that finished ranked 17th last season? It was OOC and in hindsight is a pretty big win in my eyes. TCU ended up ranked 7th in the final poll. Texas Tech 12th, Okie State 16th, Cincy 17th, Mizzou 19th.

Wisconsin and Northwestern didn't end up ranked in last season's final poll. I'll give them MSU though.
I just don't consider those big wins, they are good wins but Oklahoma should beat Cincinnati, they should beat Mizz and TCU. When I look at big wins its like a TT vs. Oklahoma matchup when you don't know who will come out on top. Or the Texas/Oklahoma matchup or OSU/PSU and OSU/Iowa.

Big wins shouldn't come when you are expected to win imo. Any BCS bowl game or rivalry matchup is a big game (Texas/Okie State or UM/PSU). There good wins for the resume but not necessarily "big" wins.

I hope you understand my logic, basically its not a big win when the teams are expected to win. The Sooners are expected to beat the teams like Cincy/TCU/Mizz last season imo.
Nov 23, 2009 5:10pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:15 PM
devil1197 wrote:
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: killer, do you honestly consider those big games outside of the TT game I mean I don't consider OSU beating #20 MSU, #18 Wisconsin, #24 Northwestern last year "big" game wins which are similar to the TCU/Mizzou/Kansas games you listed above.

Once again, I am not saying Stoops is a poor choice but if a program like ND is looking for another HC you cannot miss again. Go after the guys that are hot and winning NOW.
I do consider those big games if those teams finished the season ranked. Do you really discount their 52-26 win over a Cincy team that finished ranked 17th last season? It was OOC and in hindsight is a pretty big win in my eyes. TCU ended up ranked 7th in the final poll. Texas Tech 12th, Okie State 16th, Cincy 17th, Mizzou 19th.

Wisconsin and Northwestern didn't end up ranked in last season's final poll. I'll give them MSU though.
I just don't consider those big wins, they are good wins but Oklahoma should beat Cincinnati, they should beat Mizz and TCU. When I look at big wins its like a TT vs. Oklahoma matchup when you don't know who will come out on top. Or the Texas/Oklahoma matchup or OSU/PSU and OSU/Iowa.

Its just not a big when against Cincinnati when the Sooners are expected to win.

Big wins shouldn't come when you are expected to win imo. Any BCS bowl game or rivalry matchup is a big game.

So to be a big win in your eyes it has to be a rivalry game or a BCS bowl? Or a game where you're an underdog? I'm sorry but impressive wins over OOC teams that finish 7th and 17th respectively in the final polls are big wins IMO even though Oklahoma was favored. If OSU beat OOC teams that finished ranked that high don't you think the majority of OSU fans on here would be claiming them as big wins? I sure do.
Nov 23, 2009 5:15pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:17 PM
devil1197 wrote:
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: killer, do you honestly consider those big games outside of the TT game I mean I don't consider OSU beating #20 MSU, #18 Wisconsin, #24 Northwestern last year "big" game wins which are similar to the TCU/Mizzou/Kansas games you listed above.

Once again, I am not saying Stoops is a poor choice but if a program like ND is looking for another HC you cannot miss again. Go after the guys that are hot and winning NOW.
I do consider those big games if those teams finished the season ranked. Do you really discount their 52-26 win over a Cincy team that finished ranked 17th last season? It was OOC and in hindsight is a pretty big win in my eyes. TCU ended up ranked 7th in the final poll. Texas Tech 12th, Okie State 16th, Cincy 17th, Mizzou 19th.

Wisconsin and Northwestern didn't end up ranked in last season's final poll. I'll give them MSU though.
I just don't consider those big wins, they are good wins but Oklahoma should beat Cincinnati, they should beat Mizz and TCU. When I look at big wins its like a TT vs. Oklahoma matchup when you don't know who will come out on top. Or the Texas/Oklahoma matchup or OSU/PSU and OSU/Iowa.

Big wins shouldn't come when you are expected to win imo. Any BCS bowl game or rivalry matchup is a big game (Texas/Okie State or UM/PSU). There good wins for the resume but not necessarily "big" wins.

I hope you understand my logic, basically its not a big win when the teams are expected to win. The Sooners are expected to beat the teams like Cincy/TCU/Mizz last season imo.
Would you prefer to call them quality wins then?
Nov 23, 2009 5:17pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:17 PM
So if Team A is a ten point favorite in the MNC game and wins, that is not a big win?
Nov 23, 2009 5:17pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:19 PM
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote:
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: killer, do you honestly consider those big games outside of the TT game I mean I don't consider OSU beating #20 MSU, #18 Wisconsin, #24 Northwestern last year "big" game wins which are similar to the TCU/Mizzou/Kansas games you listed above.

Once again, I am not saying Stoops is a poor choice but if a program like ND is looking for another HC you cannot miss again. Go after the guys that are hot and winning NOW.
I do consider those big games if those teams finished the season ranked. Do you really discount their 52-26 win over a Cincy team that finished ranked 17th last season? It was OOC and in hindsight is a pretty big win in my eyes. TCU ended up ranked 7th in the final poll. Texas Tech 12th, Okie State 16th, Cincy 17th, Mizzou 19th.

Wisconsin and Northwestern didn't end up ranked in last season's final poll. I'll give them MSU though.
I just don't consider those big wins, they are good wins but Oklahoma should beat Cincinnati, they should beat Mizz and TCU. When I look at big wins its like a TT vs. Oklahoma matchup when you don't know who will come out on top. Or the Texas/Oklahoma matchup or OSU/PSU and OSU/Iowa.

Big wins shouldn't come when you are expected to win imo. Any BCS bowl game or rivalry matchup is a big game (Texas/Okie State or UM/PSU). There good wins for the resume but not necessarily "big" wins.

I hope you understand my logic, basically its not a big win when the teams are expected to win. The Sooners are expected to beat the teams like Cincy/TCU/Mizz last season imo.
Would you prefer to call them quality wins then?
Yes, quality would be the perfect word. They look good and will help you out, but there not also big wins that people will talk about (BCS bowl W, NCG W, beating Texas in the RRR etc.)
Nov 23, 2009 5:19pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:19 PM
devil1197 wrote:
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote:
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: killer, do you honestly consider those big games outside of the TT game I mean I don't consider OSU beating #20 MSU, #18 Wisconsin, #24 Northwestern last year "big" game wins which are similar to the TCU/Mizzou/Kansas games you listed above.

Once again, I am not saying Stoops is a poor choice but if a program like ND is looking for another HC you cannot miss again. Go after the guys that are hot and winning NOW.
I do consider those big games if those teams finished the season ranked. Do you really discount their 52-26 win over a Cincy team that finished ranked 17th last season? It was OOC and in hindsight is a pretty big win in my eyes. TCU ended up ranked 7th in the final poll. Texas Tech 12th, Okie State 16th, Cincy 17th, Mizzou 19th.

Wisconsin and Northwestern didn't end up ranked in last season's final poll. I'll give them MSU though.
I just don't consider those big wins, they are good wins but Oklahoma should beat Cincinnati, they should beat Mizz and TCU. When I look at big wins its like a TT vs. Oklahoma matchup when you don't know who will come out on top. Or the Texas/Oklahoma matchup or OSU/PSU and OSU/Iowa.

Big wins shouldn't come when you are expected to win imo. Any BCS bowl game or rivalry matchup is a big game (Texas/Okie State or UM/PSU). There good wins for the resume but not necessarily "big" wins.

I hope you understand my logic, basically its not a big win when the teams are expected to win. The Sooners are expected to beat the teams like Cincy/TCU/Mizz last season imo.
Would you prefer to call them quality wins then?
Yes, quality would be the perfect word. They look good and will help you out, but there not also big wins that people will talk about (BCS bowl W, NCG W, beating Texas in the RRR etc.)

Fair enough. We can agree to disagree.
Nov 23, 2009 5:19pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:20 PM
dat dude wrote: So if Team A is a ten point favorite in the MNC game and wins, that is not a big win?
If you read my post above I said any BCS bowl game W or rivalry game W are big wins.

Beating #17 ranked team in the regular season isn't a big W imo. Its good but its nothing to shout about.
Nov 23, 2009 5:20pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:37 PM
I'll just say this.....Bob Stoops would be a HUGE upgrade from Charlie Weis. I know that goes without saying and is a Captain Obvious statement, but I said it anyway. I trust Twinkie's info and I think that's who it's gonna be. If ND did or does get Bob Stoops....I think they will have gotten it right this time. There were a lot of question marks surrounding the last few hires. Other than "Can Stoops find a way to win BCS bowls again'".....there really are no other questions about his ability to get the job done at this level.
Nov 23, 2009 5:37pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:39 PM
Kelly won't be the next head coach @ Notre Dame
Nov 23, 2009 5:39pm
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Nov 23, 2009 5:49 PM
I don't know who reported the Kelly to Notre Dame rumor but there is nothing out there on it. Not on UC centric sites, nothing on the Notre Dame sites I check. The latest I had heard prior to this was that Kelly was bumped down the ladder because of concerns over his recruiting, academic priorities and his pro choice stance not going over well at all with his fellow Catholics.
Nov 23, 2009 5:49pm
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Nov 23, 2009 6:07 PM
killer_ewok wrote:
devil1197 wrote: 0-5 in the last 5 BCS games. 1-4 against Texas the past 5 years.

People give Tressel and OSU heat, but talk about a team that cannot win big BCS games. I cannot understand how Stoops has been able to not get heat in the National media.
Stoops has gotten some heat from the national media. Not sure how you missed it.

As for his recent shortcomings in BCS bowls.....maybe he just needs a change of scenery.

Stoops and OKL haven't gotten HALF of the crap that OSU/Tressel have gotten the past few years from the national media, including ESPN. Not even close.

That being said, if it is Stoops, I'd be happy if I were a ND fan. I happen to think he is a very good football coach.
Nov 23, 2009 6:07pm
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Nov 23, 2009 6:09 PM
All I know if it is Stoops it could make those games with OU in a few years verrryyy interesting.
Nov 23, 2009 6:09pm
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Nov 23, 2009 6:10 PM
^^^^^I was thinking the same thing.
Nov 23, 2009 6:10pm