posted by gut

Deliberately misattributing things I said?  Ignoring other things I said?  Posting an article link that I alluded to, and pretending like it refutes what I posted?

You're either an abject moron or a racebaiter. 

You said he had a knife. You didn’t say well the cops shouted drop the knife 

posted by gut

But were the cops telling him to drop the knife, according to an eyewitness?

JFC you're hopeless.

I guess we’ll find out. Hard to see them not making a statement that there was a knife by now but well see 

posted by geeblock

I didn’t say they were, but we don’t know they knew about his record at this point. I’m 1000% sure if he had a knife or a weapon there would be a press conference showing it

Was there a warrant for his arrest?  Was he tazed?  Did the cops believe he had a knife?

posted by gut

Was there a warrant for his arrest?  Was he tazed?  Did the cops believe he had a knife?

posted by geeblock

I guess we’ll find out. Hard to see them not making a statement that there was a knife by now but well see 

You really are a moron.

I can't believe you're so dumb I have to spell this out.  The point is the cops BELIEVED he had a knife.  The cops BELIEVED they were being threatened by a knife.  The standard applied to cops in a shooting is what a reasonable officer would have BELIEVED, and then how that reasonable officer would have responded.

Mistaking a phone for a knife or a gun isn't new.  If a cop points a gun at you, and you reach into your pocket to pull out a cell phone, the cop would be justified in shooting you.

I don't know if the shooting was justified or not.  I do know if this guy made better decisions he almost certainly would not have been shot.

I'm not sure why the amount of shots matters? I know if I felt threatened, or people around me felt threatened, I am shooting until I feel the threat is neutralized.

There's no shoot once...wait...shoot twice...wait...and so forth. I've seen enough video of incidents where people continue to be violent after one shot, one stab, being shot with a taser, and whatever else. Is it excessive? No. Neutralizing a threat is not excessive.

posted by gut

You really are a moron.

I can't believe you're so dumb I have to spell this out.  The point is the cops BELIEVED he had a knife.  The cops BELIEVED they were being threatened by a knife.  The standard applied to cops in a shooting is what a reasonable officer would have BELIEVED, and then how that reasonable officer would have responded.

Mistaking a phone for a knife or a gun isn't new.  If a cop points a gun at you, and you reach into your pocket to pull out a cell phone, the cop would be justified in shooting you.

I don't know if the shooting was justified or not.  I do know if this guy made better decisions he almost certainly would not have been shot.

I’m dumb but you are a mindreader to know what the cops were thinking 

posted by geeblock
I don’t think they thought he had a knife? U can see his hands and there is no knife but who knows 

Then why the fuck are they telling him to drop the knife?  It's an eyewitness account, which finally you acknowledge but are flailing to explain away.

My guess is the "drop the knife" is what led to getting tazed.  But it's still exculpatory as failure to drop a knife (even if it's a mistaken phone) informs the cop's decision-making when the guy ignores orders and reaches into his car.

posted by gut

You really are a moron.

I can't believe you're so dumb I have to spell this out.  The point is the cops BELIEVED he had a knife.  The cops BELIEVED they were being threatened by a knife.  The standard applied to cops in a shooting is what a reasonable officer would have BELIEVED, and then how that reasonable officer would have responded.

Mistaking a phone for a knife or a gun isn't new.  If a cop points a gun at you, and you reach into your pocket to pull out a cell phone, the cop would be justified in shooting you.

I don't know if the shooting was justified or not.  I do know if this guy made better decisions he almost certainly would not have been shot.

You gave your opinion and I offered mine. Not sure why name calling is necessary. 

posted by geeblock

I’m dumb but you are a mindreader to know what the cops were thinking 

Did an eyewitness say cops were telling him to drop the knife?

It's a really simple question that involves no mindreading.

posted by geeblock

You gave your opinion and I offered mine. Not sure why name calling is necessary. 

All I've done is state facts. 

I've also offered opinions on those facts, on both sides of the debate.  You've massively struggled to follow along.

posted by gut

Then why the fuck are they telling him to drop the knife?  It's an eyewitness account, which finally you acknowledge but are flailing to explain away.

My guess is the "drop the knife" is what led to getting tazed.  But it's still exculpatory as failure to drop a knife (even if it's a mistaken phone) informs the cop's decision-making when the guy ignores orders and reaches into his car.

Also cops yell dumb shit like “ stop resisting” “stop reaching for my gun” all kind of dumb shit to protect themselves when they go to court so let’s not act like that doesn’t happen especially without body cams. Like I said if it was a knife we will hear about it sooner than later. If there wasn’t they will save it for court and say they thought he had a knife. 

posted by gut

All I've done is state facts. 

I've also offered opinions on those facts, on both sides of the debate.  You've massively struggled to follow along.

You said he had a knife. That isn’t a fact that is known at this point I actually circled it for you 

posted by geeblock

You said he had a knife. You didn’t say well the cops shouted drop the knife 

Sigh.....Let me dumb it down for you:

If a cop is telling you "drop the knife", that cop believes he is being threatened, because a knife is a deadly weapon....hence said cop is "being threatened with a knife".  It's not mindreading, it's basic logic most of us learned in grade school.

posted by gut

Sigh.....Let me dumb it down for you:

If a cop is telling you "drop the knife", that cop believes he is being threatened, because a knife is a deadly weapon....hence said cop is "being threatened with a knife".  It's not mindreading, it's basic logic most of us learned in grade school.

The witness clearly said he wasn’t aggressive. No evidence he threatened anyone at this point. He was walking away from the officers. He made some bad choices that contributed to his death and I’m confused as to what transpired before this to make him react this way, but I completely disagree that he was threatening officers with a knife or they shot him because they believed he had a knife. You have no idea what they believed 

posted by geeblock

You said he had a knife. That isn’t a fact that is known at this point I actually circled it for you 

One more time, I said he "threatened a cop with a knife".  You even circled it, yet you still continue to attribute something to me that I didn't actually say - I said several times there's no reports of an actual knife. You've been corrected multiple times, yet continue to make the same dishonest argument.

The cop's perception is his reality.  And that's critical to his decision to use his gun.  You really seem to be struggling to understand how if that knife or gun is actually a phone, it's not particularly relevant to the question if a reasonable cop could have thought it was a knife.  The "reasonable cop" is the standard used in courts.

Truly a textbook case on how to get shot by police.

Yeha, gut is definitely not justifying the shooting. Give me a damn break lol

Now there’s an imaginary knife involved...anything to help the argument that shooting a guy 7 times because he got in his car and didn’t listen to cops!

posted by geeblock

The witness clearly said he wasn’t aggressive.

Did the cops say "drop the knife"?

Why can't you answer simple questions and instead continue obfuscating?

posted by SportsAndLady

Yeha, gut is definitely not justifying the shooting. Give me a damn break lol

ijits going to post ijit things.

posted by gut

I don't know if the shooting was justified or not.  I do know if this guy made better decisions he almost certainly would not have been shot.

posted by gut

Did the cops say "drop the knife"?

Why can't you answer simple questions and instead continue obfuscating?

If the cops said “drop the bazooka” you’d probably believe they actually thought he had a bazooka. That’s such a terrible argument , gut, and you know it. You’re grasping at straws to help your argument that the shooting was justified . You have done this on the OC for every single incident where a cop shoots a black dude. You defend the cops but get super defensive when someone tells you you’re defending the cops. 

The cops wrestled with the dude for several minutes, they knew damn well he didn’t have a knife. The eyewitnesses said he didn’t have a knife. Just because the cops say “drop the knife” doesn’t mean they ACTUALLY believe he has a knife, they’re just trying to justify why they’re about to shoot him  

posted by gut

Did the cops say "drop the knife"?

Why can't you answer simple questions and instead continue obfuscating?

He also said “but I didn’t see a knife “ holy fuck. He’s literally looking at the guy saying THERE IS NO KNIFE. Anyway let’s just wait for more info I’m tired of arguing about this. My position is there was absolutely no reason to shoot him let alone 7 times. You can feel differently that’s what’s great about this country. 

posted by geeblock

He also said “but I didn’t see a knife “ holy fuck.

Did the cops say "drop the knife", according to the witness?

posted by SportsAndLady

The cops wrestled with the dude for several minutes

....they’re just trying to justify why they’re about to shoot him  

LOL, you out-stupided yourself!

posted by gut

Did the cops say "drop the knife", according to the witness?

This is like a perry mason episode. I said that he did. He sounded very confused as to why they said it.