I know a lot of young, healthy people that are partially or fully vaxxed already in Ohio. And by that I mean pretty much everyone I communicate with regularly that wants it has had it. 

posted by friendfromlowry

Are we still at a point where it’s hard to get the vaccine? I can’t speak for outside of Ohio but it’s been open to anyone 16+ for like a month now right? Is the demand still outpacing the supply significantly? 

I don't know the answer to this. But I think most places requiring masks will quit doing so over the next few months. 

posted by friendfromlowry

I don’t understand the mocking of being vaccinated here. Vaccinations have been the end goal for like a year now. And now it’s finally happening and businesses don’t seem to care. 

My guess is 90% of public places want nothing to do with this.  It’s local health departments running around fining them.

posted by justincredible

I know a lot of young, healthy people that are partially or fully vaxxed already in Ohio. And by that I mean pretty much everyone I communicate with regularly that wants it has had it. 

Outstanding! I wish we had more.

posted by Fletch

My guess is 90% of public places want nothing to do with this.  It’s local health departments running around fining them.

Few people worse that the health inspector

Smh. If you aren’t vaccinated by Memorial Day, it’s on you. Either you don’t want to and that’s fine, or if you haven’t figured it how to yet, you wear a mask and social distance. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I don't know the answer to this. But I think most places requiring masks will quit doing so over the next few months. 

I wish this were going to be true, but frankly I doubt it. 

Not sure why people with antibodies from actually getting the virus aren’t on there?

That graphic is a joke.  Remove the freaking masks already.

posted by Fletch

My guess is 90% of public places want nothing to do with this.  It’s local health departments running around fining them.

I'm not sure they have much of a choice if local ordinances require masks.

There's also the question of potential liability that I don't think has been fully settled yet.  If one of their workers dies from Covid and they didn't take steps to ensure a safe workplace?

I think by the end of May all restrictions should be removed as everyone who wants the vaccine could have gotten it.

posted by gut

I'm not sure they have much of a choice if local ordinances require masks.

There's also the question of potential liability that I don't think has been fully settled yet.  If one of their workers dies from Covid and they didn't take steps to ensure a safe workplace?

I think by the end of May all restrictions should be removed as everyone who wants the vaccine could have gotten it.

There is no way to prove where someone got the virus. That dead coworker could have shopped at a random store, visited with a cousin, or been coughed on by a homeless person (or all three). These types of cases will be very hard to prove. 

posted by brutus161

There is no way to prove where someone got the virus. That dead coworker could have shopped at a random store, visited with a cousin, or been coughed on by a homeless person (or all three). These types of cases will be very hard to prove. 

True, but successfully defending a lawsuit can be impossibly expensive.

posted by queencitybuckeye

True, but successfully defending a lawsuit can be impossibly expensive.

You both make good points.  I think the risk is probably confined to larger operations, and one where you might have a disproportionately large outbreak (like meatpacking) where logically at least some of those cases, and deaths, are a result of those working conditions.

Now meatpacking is a bad example because it was an essential business.  Ultimately I don't think we'll see many, if any, successful lawsuits.

posted by queencitybuckeye

True, but successfully defending a lawsuit can be impossibly expensive.

If someone were to really push one of these lawsuits, the defendant would definitely get help in paying legal fees. Mainly because a loss would set a precedence, and that would affect many many more businesses. 

posted by brutus161

If someone were to really push one of these lawsuits, the defendant would definitely get help in paying legal fees. Mainly because a loss would set a precedence, and that would affect many many more businesses. 

It may not be a total nuisance case if you have contact traces pinpointing your business as the source.

I'd imagine a business would have to be really negligent for half the jurors in a civil case to rule against them.  Then again, it's so political all it would probably take is for the owner to be a known Trump supporter.

posted by Fletch

My guess is 90% of public places want nothing to do with this.  It’s local health departments running around fining them.

That’s fine and I’m not disagreeing. But, and just my personal preference, I’d rather see these places just say “Look if you don’t wear a mask, we get in trouble, so do just do it.” I respect that much more than “wE dOnT cAre if you’re vaccinated.” There are already plenty of people out there discounting the vaccine saying we don’t know how effective they are, you can still spread mild cases, not everyone can get/has gotten it. And those people can fuck all the way off. 

posted by fengling

each time i heard how tons disappointment the king will be, it changed into like a river of spring water

Well said

posted by Ironman92

Well said

cc created a new account, it seems.

I guess I also thought as we approach month five of vaccinating people, we’d be further along with the CDC then it’s now safe for vaccinated people to riding public transportation and getting a haircut indoors but while still wearing a mask. 

posted by friendfromlowry

That’s fine and I’m not disagreeing. But, and just my personal preference, I’d rather see these places just say “Look if you don’t wear a mask, we get in trouble, so do just do it.” I respect that much more than “wE dOnT cAre if you’re vaccinated.” There are already plenty of people out there discounting the vaccine saying we don’t know how effective they are, you can still spread mild cases, not everyone can get/has gotten it. And those people can fuck all the way off. 

Amen

Moderna II yesterday ..............no discernable after-effects (at least yet). 

Oregon is shutting down bars and restaurants again this Friday. I can only imagine that will be the final nail in the coffin for the entire industry there.

— Chef Andrew Gruel (@ChefGruel) April 28, 2021

posted by QuakerOats

Moderna II yesterday ..............no discernable after-effects (at least yet). 

Good on you. Got my second today (Pfizer).  Hopefully tomorrow, I feel like you do today. 

posted by justincredible

Oregon is shutting down bars and restaurants again this Friday. I can only imagine that will be the final nail in the coffin for the entire industry there.

— Chef Andrew Gruel (@ChefGruel) April 28, 2021

posted by Fletch
Don’t understand the endgame here.  I guess science is different out there

Other than not wanting to appear political with prior heavy-handed lockdowns, my guess is maybe the more economic damage they can show from Covid the bigger piece of Biden giant stimulus pie they can get?