posted by Spock

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid-19-202828157.html

One of the side effects of covid is confusion, delusion and hallucinations.  Maybe Giuliani has been a long-hauler all this time?

posted by Spock

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid-19-202828157.html

Left trying to slow him down?

Why would the left want to "slow him down"? He's a senile idiot who's impossible to take seriously because the only thing he's remotely capable of doing is making his own side look really dumb.

posted by Heretic

Why would the left want to "slow him down"? He's a senile idiot who's impossible to take seriously because the only thing he's remotely capable of doing is making his own side look really dumb.

Trump must have some serious shit on Rudy. To think that he was once our country's hero. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Trump must have some serious shit on Rudy. To think that he was once our country's hero. 

You don’t think Rudy was highly regarded after 9/11

posted by sportchampps

You don’t think Rudy was highly regarded after 9/11

Yes I do.  That's why I said he was once one of America's heroes.  He was fantastic during that.  It's hard to reconcile that with what he's become. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Yes I do.  That's why I said he was once one of America's heroes.  He was fantastic during that.  It's hard to reconcile that with what he's become. 

How hard is it to be a mayor after a national tragedy and look good? Only thing you have to do is not gloat that you now have the tallest building in NY. 

posted by kizer permanente

How hard is it to be a mayor after a national tragedy and look good? Only thing you have to do is not gloat that you now have the tallest building in NY.

Who woulda thunk? Oh, anyone remotely intelligent. And the Chicago Teachers Union tweets out “ The push to reopen schools is rooted in sexism, racism and misogyny”. They don’t care about the kids at all.

‘A lost generation’: Surge of research reveals students sliding backward, most vulnerable worst affected

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/students-falling-behind/2020/12/06/88d7157a-3665-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html

I'd make a poll but I'm just lazy. 

Had this convo with some friends over the weekend.  

How long do you think we'll be wearing masks for? Not including dumbfuck no mandate states.

I'm going with now through the summer. Come fall things become "more normal." Thots?

posted by Automatik

I'm going with now through the summer. Come fall things become "more normal." Thots?

Tough question.  I think some of the more "authoritarian" governors will require masks until there are virtually no active cases in their state, heck maybe even the US or world.

In theory, the answer would be May/June when everyone would have been vaccinated.  But like 40% of people don't want to take it (which would be @ how many get the flu vaccine, I think).  No idea how many will be needed for herd immunity, but some estimates are the number might be significantly lower than 60-80% typically believed.

Anyway, put me down for the end of summer with masks.  But I think it should be more like April after flu season finishes and most people have been vaccinated.

posted by Automatik

I'd make a poll but I'm just lazy. 

Had this convo with some friends over the weekend.  

How long do you think we'll be wearing masks for? Not including dumbfuck no mandate states.

I'm going with now through the summer. Come fall things become "more normal." Thots?

Depends where, but I say a lot of places will still have it thru all of 2021. 

posted by like_that

Depends where, but I say a lot of places will still have it thru all of 2021. 

I think as the numbers start to get pretty low people will have 0 tolerance for lockdowns and mask mandates.  There's little to no enforcement, making the "mandates" mostly voluntary. 

So I kind of feel like people will just start ignoring any guidelines or restrictions once they're comfortable it's no longer really a threat.  People will be like "WTF?!? there's 20 cases in my county and I got the vaccine - why do I need to wear a mask?"

I’ve been wondering how we’ll transition to it being okay and safe to not wear masks anymore. Once you’ve been vaccinated and/or already it then you’re about as low risk to yourself and others as can be right? 

posted by friendfromlowry

Once you’ve been vaccinated and/or already it then you’re about as low risk to yourself and others as can be right? 

How are you going to prove you were vaccinated?  I've seen "vaccination passports" thrown around fairly often, but I haven't seen any plan on how that would work.

To answer your question, the two vaccines are 95% effective...and there were no severe cases or hospitalizations, so you're probably good there.  Astrazeneca may only be 70% effective, and we need to see the rest of their data on severity.

So if I was at risk, I would probably ONLY take the vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna, and then I'd be comfortable without a mask.  We should have at least 50M vaccines from each of them, so everyone at risk should be able to get those.

posted by gut

How are you going to prove you were vaccinated?  I've seen "vaccination passports" thrown around fairly often, but I haven't seen any plan on how that would work.

That’s the question. I don’t know if you can other than the passport and you know no one is gonna carry that damn thing around. They might if it gets them onto a cruise or concert, etc. 

At some point it’ll have to become acceptable again to not wear masks everywhere. If I’ve got the vaccine then I’m pretty well protected and don’t give a shit who else did or didn’t. 

I'm sure this has been answered on these pages... by why only a vaccine to prevent it?  Are there no medicines out there that can help with the symptoms?  Someone put it out as if you're talking to CC.

posted by ernest_t_bass

I'm sure this has been answered on these pages... by why only a vaccine to prevent it?  Are there no medicines out there that can help with the symptoms?  Someone put it out as if you're talking to CC.

The death rate going forward will be almost zero as we vaccinated the at risk people and the theraputics are not politicized anymore and Dr.s are using all resources equally.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-coronavirus-vaccine-america-first

Good move here

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

I am in the top 23 million nationwide

I have traveled for work all through the pandemic (for reference). 

Been all over Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, upstate New York, etc. 

I have had a piece of paper in my wallet since late February or early March that said I was an essential employee and was traveling for essential work for even when I was traveling during shut downs. 

Never, and I mean never, has anyone asked to see it...

Until today...

I flew to Maine, got to my hotel, the desk has to ask everyone from out of state other than Massachusetts and New Hampshire, if they are traveling for essential business. 

When I said yes, she asked to see my paperwork and had to scan it into their system for their state CDC guidelines. 

My paper had sat in my wallet and never been used for 9 months, it was so worn/almost torn from just sitting in a wallet for so long that I apologized and told her I could email her a pdf of it once I got to my room. 

Just weird and somewhat alarming. 

Don’t think people won’t want proof of a vaccine for certain things in the future. 

posted by Spock

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

I am in the top 23 million nationwide

Apparently I am nearly last in line...

posted by jmog

Apparently I am nearly last in line...

Yea mine was 254M. Doesn’t seem accurate. I’m “technically” essential too. 

Mine just says I’m behind very few. If the line were 100 people long, I’d be #4. 

Sounds like U.K. going to start vaccinating tomorrow? So they’ll have probably a 10-14 day headstart on us? It’ll be interesting to see how their numbers are affected. 

June 1st

posted by ernest_t_bass

Are there no medicines out there that can help with the symptoms?  Someone put it out as if you're talking to CC.

Remdesevir was promising, but some new research questions whether it helps.  The latest hope are a few recently released gene therapies(?), like Regeneron.

They're better at treating it.  Actual mortality rate is probably close to 0.2% now.  But more like 0% mortality for most people, and like 5% mortality if you have multiple comorbidities.