posted by BR1986FB

He triggered, like most of the Dems, because this is going to be a lot closer than they'd hoped and fairly likely they lose.

You see, that's the difference between the conservatives and liberals. Conservatives don't get their way and they're pissed, but don't take stupid actions. Libs don't get their way and they either wish for death or try what they attempted on Trump 2x's. Dems are a party of bitch ass babies.

Bro, you worship a guy that’s a piece of shit lol  Only when his BMI takes his fat ass out and he’s underground will people like you stop hoping he’s eternal president  Then the cultists can go back into hiding, and the rest of the country can resume normalcy. The vice president debate was the first sign of that since your Grand Dipshit stepped on the scene. Can’t wait till it goes back to that. 

posted by kizer permanente

Bro, you worship a guy that’s a piece of shit lol  Only when his BMI takes his fat ass out and he’s underground will people like you stop hoping he’s eternal president  Then the cultists can go back into hiding, and the rest of the country can resume normalcy. The vice president debate was the first sign of that since your Grand Dipshit stepped on the scene. Can’t wait till it goes back to that. 

LOL, you don't have a clue. Where have I EVER said that I worship Trump? I think I've made it clear that he's FAR from perfect, yet the lesser of two evils. In his time in office, we at least saw improvement in gas prices and our grocery bills. With Kamala's team we've seen record breaking inflation, super shitty international relations and no end in sight. Keeping 4 more years of this is going to dig this country an insurmountable hole. 

Far from a Trump worshipper but if that helps you sleep at night with your whittle ewectric car, lil guy, have at it.

posted by BR1986FB

LOL, you don't have a clue. Where have I EVER said that I worship Trump? I think I've made it clear that he's FAR from perfect, yet the lesser of two evils. In his time in office, we at least saw improvement in gas prices and our grocery bills. With Kamala's team we've seen record breaking inflation, super shitty international relations and no end in sight. Keeping 4 more years of this is going to dig this country an insurmountable hole. 

Far from a Trump worshipper but if that helps you sleep at night with your whittle ewectric car, lil guy, have at it.

lol stop it. You ride for Trump at every chance. Every post against him, you got his back. You're literally the definition of his ride or die on here.

Trumps former cabinet doesn't support him. His VP doesn't support him. People that were around him daily. Unprecedented. Yet you think cuz muh gas prices, He's re-electable lol 

I don't think right wing populism is going to disappear with any sort of Trump exit. It didn't arrive with him so it's not going to leave when he leaves. 

The anti establishment sentiment right now is exponentially higher than it has been for a long long time. Younger people, especially, don't see the past establishment eras as halcyon. Quite the opposite. And as more and more of them start voting, you will notice more discontent with the very idea. The media knows and that's why we are seeing all the teeth gnashing and wild flip outs on the MSM. 

I think it will be interesting to see if the Dem party bosses try to reform themselves. But a few things need to happen first. That party needs to ditch Hillary and Nancy first,then break up with the Obama's. And then wait for the Boomers to go away. New leadership will do a lot for that party.

Republicans will have to go through the same process. The Mitch McConnell's, the Lindsay Graham's, etc. Because right now there isn't any good in that party leadership, either. 

In the meantime, relax a little, have a drink or 7, and watch it play out.

posted by kizer permanente

lol stop it. You ride for Trump at every chance. Every post against him, you got his back. You're literally the definition of his ride or die on here.

There's people on here who are ride or die for Kamala and she is every bit as divisive as he is. You never try to insult them, though, in the way you're going after BR. 

posted by BR1986FB

Like killing or attempting to kill people?

You used the term "stupid actions". Was 1/6 not that?

posted by kizer permanente

Trumps former cabinet doesn't support him. His VP doesn't support him. People that were around him daily. Unprecedented. Yet you think cuz muh gas prices, He's re-electable lol 

What makes Trump re-electable is not just gas prices. There are a host of reasons why. 

- For the longest time now the Biden/Harris administration (KJP) has blamed a lot of it on the supply chain post Covid. People don't understand why it's been taking years now to get back on track. And the administration hasn't taken the time to explain that very well. 

- The endless wars matter. 

- A majority of younger Dems see the Israel war that we are funding as genocide and they want no parts of it. 

- They also don't want to keep manufacturing war with Russia or start war with Iran. 

There are a lot of different reasons and I've gotten into them already and don't feel like rehashing them. But suffice it to say that younger voters are discontented and have every right to be. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

There's people on here who are ride or die for Kamala and she is every bit as divisive as he is. You never try to insult them, though, in the way you're going after BR. 

Wrong.. he came after me. Hence the defense. But you knew that.

And who is Ride or Die for Kamala? lol 

posted by CenterBHSFan

What makes Trump re-electable is not just gas prices. There are a host of reasons why. 

- For the longest time now the Biden/Harris administration (KJP) has blamed a lot of it on the supply chain post Covid. People don't understand why it's been taking years now to get back on track. And the administration hasn't taken the time to explain that very well. 

- The endless wars matter. 

- A majority of younger Dems see the Israel war that we are funding as genocide and they want no parts of it. 

- They also don't want to keep manufacturing war with Russia or start war with Iran. 

There are a lot of different reasons and I've gotten into them already and don't feel like rehashing them. But suffice it to say that younger voters are discontented and have every right to be. 

Do you work in manufacturing? I do. Lead times have only recently got "semi" normal.. and not close to what they were pre-covid. It's not an excuse. It's real. 

No Young Dems are voting for Trump b/c of Israel. Young Dems also know Trump bows to Putin, so Russia point is moot. 

I also, again, addressed what he said specifically to why he's voting for Trump. I think you knew that too, though. 

posted by queencitybuckeye

You used the term "stupid actions". Was 1/6 not that?

I wish Jan.6th didn't happen. It was grossly stupid. It's also stupid not to put blame all across the board for fault. 

It's interesting how we had a year of left wing riots and people basically got used to seeing it on tv every day. Riots where numerous innocent people were killed, had their houses and businesses burned to the ground. Federal property burned to the ground.

One right wing riot (because that's what it was) and people shit all over themselves. Or pretend to. So much of that stuff is self-gratifying performance. It's gotten to the point where J6 lost its power - much like the words racism and whateverphobic. If things are humped on too much, it starts having the opposite effect than the desired one.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I wish Jan.6th didn't happen. It was grossly stupid. It's also stupid not to put blame all across the board for fault. 

It's interesting how we had a year of left wing riots and people basically got used to seeing it on tv every day. Riots where numerous innocent people were killed, had their houses and businesses burned to the ground. Federal property burned to the ground.

One right wing riot (because that's what it was) and people shit all over themselves. Or pretend to. So much of that stuff is self-gratifying performance. It's gotten to the point where J6 lost its power - much like the words racism and whateverphobic. If things are humped on too much, it starts having the opposite effect than the desired one.

posted by kizer permanente

Do you work in manufacturing? I do. Lead times have only recently got "semi" normal.. and not close to what they were pre-covid. It's not an excuse. It's real. 

No Young Dems are voting for Trump b/c of Israel. Young Dems also know Trump bows to Putin, so Russia point is moot. 

I also, again, addressed what he said specifically to why he's voting for Trump. I think you knew that too, though. 

I will repeat myself here so that maybe this when you read it it will stick with you - "hasn't explained it very well".

Does that help you? 

Younger people, especially young men, ARE voting for Trump rather than Kamala. That's why we are all of the Harris campaign surrogates out there trying to shame them into voting for her. All the polling, divided by age groups and then by sex, show that. That is why the Harris campaign is focussing so much on those groups right now. All of her latest ads are targeting them.

Kamala is now putting out ads attacking a third party (Jill Stein), not out of sheer boredom. Because however many of that demographic that is not going to vote for Trump are going to vote for Stein. In noticeable amounts, hence the attack ads.

posted by kizer permanente
Who else do you want to put blame on?

I put the blame on Trump, the mayor of DC and Nancy Pelosi. All of it was terribly mismanaged.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I will repeat myself here so that maybe this when you read it it will stick with you - "hasn't explained it very well".

Does that help you? 

Younger people, especially young men, ARE voting for Trump rather than Kamala. That's why we are all of the Harris campaign surrogates out there trying to shame them into voting for her. All the polling, divided by age groups and then by sex, show that. That is why the Harris campaign is focussing so much on those groups right now. All of her latest ads are targeting them.

Kamala is now putting out ads attacking a third party (Jill Stein), not out of sheer boredom. Because however many of that demographic that is not going to vote for Trump are going to vote for Stein. In noticeable amounts, hence the attack ads.

What exactly needs explained.... What's confusing you? 

Is there something confusing about shutting down manufacturing operations for over half a year and it's impact on supply change? Is there something confusing about losing half a million  of the workforce who were still working? And forced another 260,000 into retirement? 

None of this is very confusing to me. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

I put the blame on Trump, the mayor of DC and Nancy Pelosi. All of it was terribly mismanaged.

posted by kizer permanente

Young Dems also know Trump bows to Putin, so Russia point is moot. 

posted by kizer permanente

What exactly needs explained.... What's confusing you? 

Is there something confusing about shutting down manufacturing operations for over half a year and it's impact on supply change? Is there something confusing about losing half a million  of the workforce who were still working? And forced another 260,000 into retirement? 

None of this is very confusing to me. 

I'm not confused about anything. But if you are not willing to accept the premise that the administration has not gone out of their way to better address the problem then there is nothing I can say to you that will help you get that. It takes some ability or willingness to understand the outcomes of bad communications.

posted by iclfan2
Lol, we’re still doing this?

Yeah lol

posted by iclfan2
Lol, we’re still doing this?

Didn't we just hear about Trump sending covid testing machines, that we already didn't have enough of,  to him and HE had to tell him not to tell anyone b/c of the optics lol ? B/c Trump's little baby brain couldn't understand that lol. 

posted by CenterBHSFan

I'm not confused about anything. But if you are not willing to accept the premise that the administration has not gone out of their way to better address the problem then there is nothing I can say to you that will help you get that. It takes some ability or willingness to understand the outcomes of bad communications.

If you can't understand any of those points, what is someone trying to explain it to you going to help? They aren't tough concepts.

*** edit**

I don't mean you as you personally.. I'm sure you understand. You're not dumb.

You as a person you're referencing. 

posted by kizer permanente

If you can't understand any of those points, what is someone trying to explain it to you going to help? They aren't tough concepts.

Again, you're limiting yourself when you only think in terms that you yourself are familiar with. 

Part of any administration's job is to explain the root causes of problems to the public. The Biden/Harris administration has not used their communication time wisely. They just haven't. You can be argumentative with me all you want as their defense, but it wasn't my ball to drop.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Again, you're limiting yourself when you only think in terms that you yourself are familiar with. 

Part of any administration's job is to explain the root causes of problems to the public. The Biden/Harris administration has not used their communication time wisely. They just haven't. You can be argumentative with me all you want as their defense, but it wasn't my ball to drop.

But my point is we HAVE heard all of this from the administration. Every point I've made has been echoed by them. So if a person still doesn't grasp that, there's not a ton you can really do. 

posted by kizer permanente

But my point is we HAVE heard all of this from the administration. Every point I've made has been echoed by them. So if a person still doesn't grasp that, there's not a ton you can really do. 

I'd like to see it. 

posted by kizer permanente

My only hope is Trump dies immediately after he loses and we can go back to McCain/Romney Republicans. Hopefully he hasn't ruined that party for good. Then the Dems wont have to nominate the antithesis of Trump too. 

Look, I can’t stand Trump as much as the next guy, and REALLY can’t stand the far left socialists like Sanders, AOC, etc.

That being said, there is not a single one of them I would wish dead.

Why are you just openly admitting you are a terrible human?