NFL Preseason 2023

geeblock Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:03 AM

QBs in NFL history with a 96+ passer rating and 100+ pass TD in their first 61 starts:


LAMAR JACKSON

Patrick Mahomes

Dan Marino

Aaron Rodgers

Deshaun Watson

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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:08 AM
posted by geeblock

QBs in NFL history with a 96+ passer rating and 100+ pass TD in their first 61 starts:


LAMAR JACKSON

Patrick Mahomes

Dan Marino

Aaron Rodgers

Deshaun Watson

Sounds like I am making excuses for my narrative. But this list is going to be 25 QBs long once the rookies from 3 years ago get 61 starts. QB Rating is so bad to use as a historical number. Jared Goff, Teddy 2-Gloves, Derek Carr, Kyler, etc have ratings over 90. Those are......bad QBs in comparison to that rating.

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:10 AM

Can't wait to see Todd Monken turn him into a passing QB. The Browns defense usually isn't that good but I welcome that change, assuming he remains in Baltimore.

33,369 posts 129 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:13 AM

Also that. Maybe the OC was bad for him. Or maybe the OC was keeping his weaknesses hidden and turned him into a one year MVP. It can go both ways. NFL teams and coaches usually have a reason for doing what they are doing, even if it appears to be not working.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:24 AM
posted by geeblock

Mahomes

Burrow

Josh Allen

Hurts

Herbert

Jackson

rodgers

then a big drop off


You'd take Lamar over TLaw?


friendfromlowry Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:24 AM

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’s a top 10 QB. But his health and availability deserves to be criticized. 

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:26 AM
posted by friendfromlowry

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’s a top 10 QB. But his health and availability deserves to be criticized. 

Top 10 WHEN healthy. Sure.

But it ain't 2020 anymore.

friendfromlowry Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:28 AM

Also, to contradict my own point, a top six (or ten) QB doesn’t hit free agency and five teams who need a QB immediately say they’ll pass. 

geeblock Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:28 AM
posted by justincredible

You'd take Lamar over TLaw?


I would...but now that you mention it i would put lawrence over rodgers

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 10:40 AM
posted by Laley23

Also that. Maybe the OC was bad for him. Or maybe the OC was keeping his weaknesses hidden and turned him into a one year MVP. It can go both ways. NFL teams and coaches usually have a reason for doing what they are doing, even if it appears to be not working.

I think this is more true than false. Rats fans rip Greg Roman but I think he crafted that offense specifically for Lamar's strengths and helped get him to that MVP. Assuming he stays in Baltimore, I'll be interested to see how he does as a passer versus running.

The biggest example I can use of his backyard style of play was the "Poop Game" against the Browns where he went to the locker room and the Rat's looked like they were done. Brought in a QB that couldn't move them. 4th down, game on the line, and Lamar trots back in. Felt like he scrambled all over the pocket for about 10 seconds then started to approach the LOS and the defenders had to respect him taking off....when this happens, Andrews breaks WIDE open and Lamar just lofts the ball to him. That's his ONLY passing strength, his mobility.

If they try to make him into a pocket passer I think it will be a miserable failure.

As far as that list goes, for pure QB's I'd take Rodgers, Lawrence AND Carr over him...just as a pure passer. I know many aren't a fan of Carr but he's a better QB than Lamar if you take away L-Jax's running back abilities.

superman Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 11:19 AM

I think Lamar is vastly underrated and the Ravens should give him $60 million a year.  The same with Trubisky and the Steelers.  

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 12:19 PM

Question for Justin, if this Aaron Rodgers thing doesn't come to fruition, Lamar for plan B? Or would he be plan A? Younger QB that could be controlled for 5 years, where Rodgers could retire at any time.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 12:38 PM

Rodgers plan A

Lamar plan B

Lamar's injury history worries me, but I'd take my chances if Rodgers doesn't work out.

geeblock Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 12:51 PM

it would be tough to pay rodgers 50 million, give up draft picks, and then have him retire or be on the fence as soon as the season is over

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 1:10 PM

Obviously it's a high risk situation, but it seems like an easier situation to rebound from if it fails than it would if they went with Jackson.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 2:19 PM

Heretic Son of the Sun
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 5:17 PM
posted by justincredible

You know, if Rodgers is looking for a girlfriend and really wants to put Wilson in his place, he could hook up with his mom. At the least, that would be hilarious!

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 5:50 PM

Panthers trading up to #1?

superman Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 6:15 PM
posted by justincredible

Panthers trading up to #1?

Yes but for who?  I really want to see the Colts mess up and take Anthony Richardson.  

friendfromlowry Senior Member
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Fri, Mar 10, 2023 6:38 PM

Wonder if they want Bryce Young?

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