LOCKED: Browns BS Drama Continued...

posted by vball10set

Point taken, but I still would be thrilled if they drafted him--I think he's an Elliott type of impact player. That being said, I would be equally as thrilled if they took Chubb/Fitzpatrick. To be honest, I want them to draft Darnold, but if they went with Rosen or Allen I wouldn't go crazy--that emotion is reserved for if they were idiotic enough to take Mayfield.

I think when the smoke clears, it will be Darnold. The only one I'd be pissed about would be Allen. Also would be kinda pissed if they took Fitzpatrick at 4. Don't think he's a true corner and would be better suited to safety, which they already have covered.

Love how the rumors change daily. Now it’s back to Darnold or Mayfield. 

Everyone working to generate "clicks" on their websites....

my gut still says Mayfield.  When Dorsey talked with the media about Bakers visit he described him as a "pleasant fella" which I view as a way to keep his giddiness low key. He talks a lot about wanting an accurate QB, someone that is competitive, strong arm, and a winner.  That tells me he wants a well balanced QB.  Everything seems to point to Baker.

The only exception being his reference to hand size being important.  I think Mayfield was 3rd in that regard...Allen with largest hands, but based on what Dorsey values, that would be one of the few pros for Allen.

posted by iclfan2

Love how the rumors change daily. Now it’s back to Darnold or Mayfield. 

Give it time. There's been no buzz on Rosen yet. That will probably happen in the next 24 hours. lol

posted by slingshot4ever

Everyone working to generate "clicks" on their websites....

my gut still says Mayfield.  When Dorsey talked with the media about Bakers visit he described him as a "pleasant fella" which I view as a way to keep his giddiness low key. He talks a lot about wanting an accurate QB, someone that is competitive, strong arm, and a winner.  That tells me he wants a well balanced QB.  Everything seems to point to Baker.

The only exception being his reference to hand size being important.  I think Mayfield was 3rd in that regard...Allen with largest hands, but based on what Dorsey values, that would be one of the few pros for Allen.

Prior to the draft/before joining the Browns, Dorsey let it be known he really likes Mayfield. The consultant he brought in from the Redskins is in love with Mayfield too.

posted by BR1986FB

Give it time. There's been no buzz on Rosen yet. That will probably happen in the next 24 hours. lol

No kidding. I saw a Benjamin Albright convo last night where he said there is some non-public Rosen info that has moved him completely off of some boards. It's all a shit show, Thursday can't come soon enough.

posted by vball10set

This, in essence, was my thought process when posting what I did. We will draft a top rookie QB, and he will need help. Period.

He has help.  He will have a veteran QB to study, carlos hyde , a severely misused duke johnson, landry, and josh gordon. 

posted by iclfan2

No kidding. I saw a Benjamin Albright convo last night where he said there is some non-public Rosen info that has moved him completely off of some boards. It's all a shit show, Thursday can't come soon enough.

He's dropping to the Miami/Buffalo (11/12) range in most mocks I've seen. Agreed on Thursday. So tired of this silly shit.

posted by like_that

He has help.  He will have a veteran QB to study, carlos hyde , a severely misused duke johnson, landry, and josh gordon. 

And that's a big reason I prefer Guice, or a later RB. If they select Barkley, there's going to be pressure to make him the every down back immediately and Hyde would be a wasted pickup. With a later RB, you can ease them into the fold, eventually pushing Hyde out.

I'd hate to sacrifice a great talent though just because we signed Carlos Hyde. Who really cares? We aren't exactly paying him a ton. He's inconsequential to me.

posted by kizer permanente

I'd hate to sacrifice a great talent though just because we signed Carlos Hyde. Who really cares? We aren't exactly paying him a ton. He's inconsequential to me.

If I can get the QB, a stud edge rusher (trumps any RB) and the RB in the 2nd round, I'd care. Again, beating a dead horse, but the productive shelf life of an NFL RB is about 5 years, if lucky.

posted by kizer permanente

I'd hate to sacrifice a great talent though just because we signed Carlos Hyde. Who really cares? We aren't exactly paying him a ton. He's inconsequential to me.

There will be more than one great talent available at 4.  I am not sure why some of you all are pretending Barkley will be the only great prospect available that early in the draft.  

posted by like_that

There will be more than one great talent available at 4.  I am not sure why some of you all are pretending Barkley will be the only great prospect available that early in the draft.  

For the 100th time, most of us would be okay with ANY great talent at 4. Just because we said we wouldn't go absolutely ballistic if we drafted Barkley, doesn't mean we're completely obsessed with him at 4. If Dorsey believes he can be a Leveon Bell for the next 5+ years, then I'm cool with it. If he wants Chubb or Minkah or Ward or Nelson at 4, I'm also cool with that.

posted by SportsAndLady

For the 100th time, most of us would be okay with ANY great talent at 4. Just because we said we wouldn't go absolutely ballistic if we drafted Barkley, doesn't mean we're completely obsessed with him at 4. If Dorsey believes he can be a Leveon Bell for the next 5+ years, then I'm cool with it. If he wants Chubb or Minkah or Ward or Nelson at 4, I'm also cool with that.

I'm starting to fall off the Nelson train. I think the dude will be potential a HOF guard but that would be with the caveat that Bitonio swing to LT. Bitonio was recently interviewed and he said "I'm a left guard. I'm not a left tackle."

posted by SportsAndLady

For the 100th time, most of us would be okay with ANY great talent at 4. Just because we said we wouldn't go absolutely ballistic if we drafted Barkley, doesn't mean we're completely obsessed with him at 4. If Dorsey believes he can be a Leveon Bell for the next 5+ years, then I'm cool with it. If he wants Chubb or Minkah or Ward or Nelson at 4, I'm also cool with that.

For the 100th time, most of us against the Barkley at 4 bandwagon understand Barkley could be a great talent, but the value just isn't there for a RB to be drafted that high.  I never said you all would go ballistic, but saying shit like "it would be a shame if we passed on a great talent," tends to send ta different message.  Unless the ENTIRE draft is a pile of shit, there is going to be more than one great talent available at #4 if the Browns draft correctly.  I'd value a RB well below most positions in today's NFL and therefore would rather draft a great talent at another position (i.e. Chubb).  

I get the logic, but there’s a reason Barkley is slated to be picked early. People obviously value his talent at those sports. I’d be shocked if he falls just bc rb’s aren’t valued that high. 

posted by kizer permanente

I get the logic, but there’s a reason Barkley is slated to be picked early. People obviously value his talent at those sports. I’d be shocked if he falls just bc rb’s aren’t valued that high. 

And most of the teams that would be looking to add Barkley are likely in better shape than the Browns and can afford that luxury (taking a RB high)

posted by like_that

For the 100th time, most of us against the Barkley at 4 bandwagon understand Barkley could be a great talent, but the value just isn't there for a RB to be drafted that high.  I never said you all would go ballistic, but saying shit like "it would be a shame if we passed on a great talent," tends to send ta different message.  Unless the ENTIRE draft is a pile of shit, there is going to be more than one great talent available at #4 if the Browns draft correctly.  I'd value a RB well below most positions in today's NFL and therefore would rather draft a great talent at another position (i.e. Chubb).  

Talent is talent. And Barkley is considered a once in a generation talent. If you QQ over taking him at 4 because you have some personal belief that the RB position in the NFL doesn't matter, then that's on you. But at this point, coming off a 1-15 and 0-16 season, I'll take talent anywhere we can get it. 

And ask Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Carolina, Dallas, LAR and other teams with great young RB's how good they feel about having that RB on their team. If Barkley turns into one of those RB's, we'll be happy too.

posted by BR1986FB

And most of the teams that would be looking to add Barkley are likely in better shape than the Browns and can afford that luxury (taking a RB high)

Lol the Browns aren't lacking in talent. They're lacking a QB worth a shit. We have more talent at some of our positions than other teams do. Spare me the "Browns can't afford to risk a pick on a RB! We need to risk a pick on a defensive lineman!" bullshit because that's exactly waht it is.

posted by BR1986FB

And most of the teams that would be looking to add Barkley are likely in better shape than the Browns and can afford that luxury (taking a RB high)

This.  Good gms don't draft RBs in the first round when they are building a team from the bottom.