Disgusted by the Trump administration part II

posted by iclfan2

I deleted my post because I was going to respond more. Genocide term is a joke. But they clearly are planning to take land. And you seem to be ok with that.

Dog eat dog world, bruh; besides, that's how we got our land in this country. And exactly why do we need to GAF about what's happening in South Africa? Shouldn't they be about 100000000000000000000th or so on our list of priorities? Playing world policeman to right all the wrongs in other peoples' places doesn't accomplish much besides wasting shit-tons of money.

If you want to go down the South Africa rabbit hole start a new thread and maybe I’ll jump in when I get time 

posted by iclfan2

I deleted my post because I was going to respond more. Genocide term is a joke. But they clearly are planning to take land. And you seem to be ok with that.

And even though the violence and murders are lower they are still occurring. You fuckin hate Trump and I get it, but condoning violence against white Farmers is absurd.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/27/murders-of-farmers-in-south-africa-at-20-year-low-research-shows

I didn’t condone it at all. My point is still wholly accurate. You actually don’t get it. I was actually like cool when trump was mentioned. I have been for years asking for like Marc Cuban, Steve jobs, bill gates, etc.. then he went crazy with the borderline racist stuff. Aka “the blacks love me” saying “the blacks” is code to me and I took it personally. Then he says “ I have to research David duke before I make any judgments” again touching my soul. I could go on. To someone who didn’t grow up with my perspective those might b innocuous to you but it spil volumes to me. This is just another in a long line of making comments that push the borderline racist agenda and I don’t think it’s on accident. That’s my opinion I don’t doubt others can’t see that and that is fine 

U want players to stand for a flag that the president tweets this? Shameful imo he has bigger pro

posted by Heretic

Dog eat dog world, bruh; besides, that's how we got our land in this country. And exactly why do we need to GAF about what's happening in South Africa? Shouldn't they be about 100000000000000000000th or so on our list of priorities? Playing world policeman to right all the wrongs in other peoples' places doesn't accomplish much besides wasting shit-tons of money.

I don’t think we should be in South Africa at all, or ever. They can turn it into Haiti for all I care. I’m much more on the isolationism front than the other. I was simply saying that they are taking farms and killing some farmers. 

posted by iclfan2

I don’t think we should be in South Africa at all, or ever. They can turn it into Haiti for all I care. I’m much more on the isolationism front than the other. I was simply saying that they are taking farms and killing some farmers. 

Definitely not a first lol 

posted by geeblock

I think the height of killing farmers peaked in early 2000s by any estimates it’s not genocide. As far as the stealing of farms and land, that happened a long time ago. This is more like giving some back. 10% of the population owned 90% of the  land during apartheid. 

1.) Farmers getting their land taken by the government happened a long time ago and is happening now.

2.) "Giving some back"? Please explain.

Also, the SA government is saying that they are not killing "for now". That's irrefutable. You cannot deny it. Is it a genocide right now? No.

posted by Heretic

 And exactly why do we need to GAF about what's happening in South Africa? Shouldn't they be about 100000000000000000000th or so on our list of priorities? Playing world policeman to right all the wrongs in other peoples' places doesn't accomplish much besides wasting shit-tons of money.

- we really shouldn't 

- yes

- correct

Apartheid? Currently 80% of the population owns 4% of the land. I’m not entertaining this. They also stole the land. If u put my great grandfathers Super Bowl ring on eBay and it was your great grandfather who took it. Should I get it back or you keep it because you didn’t steal it and you are the current owner. I really don’t know the answer here and my thoughts on this aren’t complete. It’s not a great area of knowledge for me but that is my initial feeling. Tell me why I’m wrong I will hear it 

I guess I'm just not looking at it from a personal and emotional lens because I don't know anybody over there in SA. And while it's not right for anybody to be murdered and/or have their land stolen in SA, I'm more concerned with people getting murdered in the US. This is why it was jackassery for Trump to even tweet about it. He need to stick to what is already on his plate, IMO.

Maybe trump thinks South America is Alabama, Louisiana and Texas

posted by Spock

Maybe trump thinks South America is Alabama, Louisiana and Texas

wut

Got to hand it to President Trump. Guy is a master of getting the shit he throws at the wall to stick. We and the talking heads are talking about South Africa & not the mysterious payments Cohen made for media & internet services on behalf of the Trump campaign & approved but Trump organization "executives". 

I think it was Steve Bannon who said they were going to crack Don Jr. like an egg for the "treasonous" Russia meeting (his words not mine). Wait until Cohen testifies that he approved the Russian Hacker payments. 

I'm ready to jump to the part where we get to hear that the treason was justified to own the libs, save us from Hillary, Save Western Civilization, enact tax reform and ensure the Courts are packed with Conservatives for a generation! 

posted by BoatShoes

Got to hand it to President Trump. Guy is a master of getting the shit he throws at the wall to stick. We and the talking heads are talking about South Africa & not the mysterious payments Cohen made for media & internet services on behalf of the Trump campaign & approved but Trump organization "executives". 

I think it was Steve Bannon who said they were going to crack Don Jr. like an egg for the "treasonous" Russia meeting (his words not mine). Wait until Cohen testifies that he approved the Russian Hacker payments. 

I'm ready to jump to the part where we get to hear that the treason was justified to own the libs, save us from Hillary, Save Western Civilization, enact tax reform and ensure the Courts are packed with Conservatives for a generation! 

That dude has been in the mud all his life.  It is not surprising.  I am 100% fine with the bolded though, especially considering the left loves to legislate thru the courts. 

posted by like_that

That dude has been in the mud all his life.  It is not surprising.  I am 100% fine with the bolded though, especially considering the left loves to legislate thru the courts. 

Yup. Now he just needs to get Kavanaugh through and add some judges to the 9th District courts.

posted by like_that

 I am 100% fine with the bolded though, especially considering the left loves to legislate thru the courts. 

Can we get Kavanaugh and one more?  I really want to see the nuclear meltdown on the left over abortion.

posted by gut

Can we get Kavanaugh and one more?  I really want to see the nuclear meltdown on the left over abortion.

That would be fantastic.  This is coming from a guy that despite personal views, really doesn't GAF about abortion.  I just want a conservative court for rest of my life. By conservative I mean, judges who actually interpret the constitution instead of pulling shit out of their asses like RGB. 

posted by like_that

That dude has been in the mud all his life.  It is not surprising.  I am 100% fine with the bolded though, especially considering the left loves to legislate thru the courts. 

"The Right" does it just as much as "the left" when they perceive they have a friendly majority in the courts. The 1st Amendment Jurisprudence that has come out of the Roberts Court is not anymore grounded in any sort of real originalism or textualism than the 14th Amendment Jurisprudence of the Warren Court. It's equally pulled out of the ass when used to deviate from precedent. Activist Conservative Groups have used the courts to overturn have a half-century of labor and campaign finance precedent under the first amendment when no plausible claim could be made that this is based on originalism and textualism as it was the founding fathers who passed the Sedition Act of 1798 and prosecuted newspapers and journalists for speech critical of the government. It's ALL bullshit. 

Most of us in this forum dislike Trump and for many, many reasons. We sometimes give him a green light when, in rare moments, he does something that seems logical or correct. With that said, there is an obvious trend of taking that dislike and being purposely ignorant or hypocritical about it. For example:

https://www.newsweek.com/white-farmer-killed-every-five-days-south-africa-authorities-do-nothing-851470 (from March)

https://torontosun.com/news/world/white-south-african-farmers-protest-murder-spree (from last year)

So it makes me wonder... if Trump is being a white supremacist by bringing up the murder and land theft of farmers in SA, does that mean that left leaning sites like Newsweek and the AP are also pushing white supremacy? 

This has been known for some time that this was going on. Numerous articles, reports and documentaries about it. Why is it only a white supremacy issue when Trump says it? Granted, he's being inflammatory because usually whatever he tweets about is inflammatory, that just cannot be denied. But are we picking and choosing when something or someone is being white supremacist? Is this literally TDS*?

Am I actively being a white supremacist because I don't like Trump and consider his latest tweet to be inflammatory while at the same time I never thought the news reports or documentaries to be white supremacy? Can we have it both ways?

* I hate to admit it but I own that I've had TDS upon occasion.

posted by BoatShoes

The Trump water-carrying by Gut is something I didn't expect after 2016 I'll be honest but it is very entertaining. Take a minute and just try to imagine a world where this was happening under Obama. Gut would be hysterical. 

It did happen.  The obama campaign broke campaign finance laws to the tune of at least $1.4 million.  Of course they just paid a $375,000 fine for said illegal reporting/activity, and it was all swept under the rug.

I'm back.



Carry on ....