jhay78 wrote: Three things:

1. These guys are nutjobs and deserve all the punishment they get.

2. There's nothing even remotely "Christian" about this militia group, or anyone who justifies murder.

3. I couldn't help but notice that every newspaper article, internet headline, etc. made sure we all knew that it was a Christian militia group, and a right-wing extremist group.
By contrast, when the Fort Hood shootings occurred (and actual murders were committed), it took awhile, and the mainstream media was hesitant, to call that shooter a Muslim. Even BHO sprinted to the nearest microphone to make sure we all "didn't jump to any conclusions" or form any prejudices. Even General Gates said it would be "an even greater tragedy if our diversity was affected" by this shooting. That's right- a greater tragedy than 13 (or however many it was) people being killed.

So yes, the liberal bias comes to the surface again.

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We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. All christians must know this and prepare, just as Christ commanded. Luke 22:35-37, And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?” So they said, “Nothing.” 36, Then he said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37, “For I say to you that this which is written must be accomplished in me: ‘And He was numbered with transgressors,’ For the things concerning Me have an end.” This clearly states the reason for the training and preparation of the Hutaree.

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The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it. We will reach out to those who are yet blind in the last days of the kingdoms of men and bring them to life in Christ. Daniel 11:32-35, “Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. 33, “And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34, “Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join them by intrigue. 35 “And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.”

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Writerbuckeye wrote: The Muslim shooter had a history of radical Muslim statements that were ignored for years.

There was no conclusion jumping involved.

Bigred1995 wrote:

jhay78 wrote: Three things:

1. These guys are nutjobs and deserve all the punishment they get.

2. There's nothing even remotely "Christian" about this militia group, or anyone who justifies murder.

3. I couldn't help but notice that every newspaper article, internet headline, etc. made sure we all knew that it was a Christian militia group, and a right-wing extremist group.
By contrast, when the Fort Hood shootings occurred (and actual murders were committed), it took awhile, and the mainstream media was hesitant, to call that shooter a Muslim. Even BHO sprinted to the nearest microphone to make sure we all "didn't jump to any conclusions" or form any prejudices. Even General Gates said it would be "an even greater tragedy if our diversity was affected" by this shooting. That's right- a greater tragedy than 13 (or however many it was) people being killed.

So yes, the liberal bias comes to the surface again.

1. I agree with 100%

2. I wouldn't say "There's nothing even remotely 'Christian' about this militia group" when they essentially use the Bible to justify their beliefs!

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HUTAREE; Christian Warrior

As christians we all are a part of the Souls of the Body of Christ, the one true church of Christ. Not any specific man made building or any man controlled organization. This is the belief of the Hutaree soldier, as should the belief of all followers in Christ be.

We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. All christians must know this and prepare, just as Christ commanded. Luke 22:35-37, And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?” So they said, “Nothing.” 36, Then he said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37, “For I say to you that this which is written must be accomplished in me: ‘And He was numbered with transgressors,’ For the things concerning Me have an end.” This clearly states the reason for the training and preparation of the Hutaree.

Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment. The only thing on earth to save the testimony and those who follow it, are the members of the testimony, til the return of Christ in the clouds. We, the Hutaree, are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren’t. We will still spread the word, and fight to keep it, up to the time of the great coming.

Being Hutaree is to stay the Testimony of Christ alive, and follow a motto, John15:13, “Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.” We are hoping that through this website we can reach out to those who have not the word of God and those who are lost in there ideas of Christ. Many of the things Christ said would happen have happened and some things are still in the works of happening.

We all must know that we all carry a cross and a soldiers cross is just as heavy as any other. Just as Jesus did we must also carry our cross to our destination our life abounds us to. All people are givin a destination by God’s will and have to continue there walk to there own golgotha. But many people, even christians don’t agree with the things we do but all we have to say is, we will not argue over the Bible, read it for what it is. We believe only what the Bible says and not on only philosophy, as many christians of this day do. Christ is our king of kings and top general of all things, for we are not of this world but we live in it.

The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it. We will reach out to those who are yet blind in the last days of the kingdoms of men and bring them to life in Christ. Daniel 11:32-35, “Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. 33, “And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34, “Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join them by intrigue. 35 “And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.”

You can find the news we find in some of the places we have in the information sources section. Also you can get gear from some of the choice places we have on gear links. Thanks for coming to Hutaree.com and please come again. Oh and don’t forget that you can write us through the contact us link on the Hutaree homepage. Once again thanks for visiting Hutaree.com and may Christ bless you widely.

Whether they interpret the verses "correctly" or not is inconsequential, the fact they use the Bible makes it "Christian"! If you use that logic for this group then you must apply the same logic for extremest Muslim groups.

3. So the news shouldn't report on how the group defines itself and it's mission? In the Texas shooting case, the fact the shooter was Muslim didn't necessarily mean anything, and would only lead people to jump to conclusions, but these nut jobs specifically stated their goals and motives on their website!

jhay78 wrote:Three things:

1. These guys are nutjobs and deserve all the punishment they get.

jhay78 wrote:2. There's nothing even remotely "Christian" about this militia group, or anyone who justifies murder.

jhay78 wrote:3. I couldn't help but notice that every newspaper article, internet headline, etc. made sure we all knew that it was a Christian militia group, and a right-wing extremist group.
By contrast, when the Fort Hood shootings occurred (and actual murders were committed), it took awhile, and the mainstream media was hesitant, to call that shooter a Muslim. Even BHO sprinted to the nearest microphone to make sure we all "didn't jump to any conclusions" or form any prejudices. Even General Gates said it would be "an even greater tragedy if our diversity was affected" by this shooting. That's right- a greater tragedy than 13 (or however many it was) people being killed.

So yes, the liberal bias comes to the surface again.

CenterBHSFan wrote:

BCSbunk wrote: SO now we need to have military trials for them for the sake of logical consistency of all those who are in favor of military trials for terrorists which they most certainly are by even the loosest of definitions.

I might be in the minority (or not) but I wouldn't have a problem with that. It makes no difference to me if this group targeted civilians or people in any type of public service.

Also, I'm very glad they caught this group before they accomplished their goal.

jhay78 wrote:
I'm not a Koranic scholar, but some have argued that extremist Muslim groups are being true to the Koran, while "peaceful" Muslims are the ones not truly practicing their faith.

Writerbuckeye wrote: Really? I don't recall ever hearing in Bible school that we were to go out and kill infidels who didn't follow Christian beliefs.

jhay78 wrote:

believer wrote: Let's avoid the temptation to equate all conservative Christians as domestic terrorists. Most conservative or evangelical Christians I know are skeptical and wary of interventionist Big Government but love their country.

But as usual the liberal media's underlying message in this story implies that all conservative Christians are potential terrorists and need special scrutiny.

That's like saying all Muslims are members of the Taliban and al Qaeda.

Three things:

1. These guys are nutjobs and deserve all the punishment they get.

2. There's nothing even remotely "Christian" about this militia group, or anyone who justifies murder.

3. I couldn't help but notice that every newspaper article, internet headline, etc. made sure we all knew that it was a Christian militia group, and a right-wing extremist group.
By contrast, when the Fort Hood shootings occurred (and actual murders were committed), it took awhile, and the mainstream media was hesitant, to call that shooter a Muslim. Even BHO sprinted to the nearest microphone to make sure we all "didn't jump to any conclusions" or form any prejudices. Even General Gates said it would be "an even greater tragedy if our diversity was affected" by this shooting. That's right- a greater tragedy than 13 (or however many it was) people being killed.

So yes, the liberal bias comes to the surface again.

bman618 wrote: Put them on trail and put them away.

eersandbeers wrote:

Writerbuckeye wrote: Really? I don't recall ever hearing in Bible school that we were to go out and kill infidels who didn't follow Christian beliefs.

Have you ever heard of the OT? You pretty much kill everyone in there, and even though you don't follow that part of the Bible, it is still your holy book.

eersandbeers wrote:

Writerbuckeye wrote: Really? I don't recall ever hearing in Bible school that we were to go out and kill infidels who didn't follow Christian beliefs.

Have you ever heard of the OT? You pretty much kill everyone in there, and even though you don't follow that part of the Bible, it is still your holy book.

Just something else to throw into it also.............


""Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.

Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy.

Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack.

"By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.

"In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."

Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788

jhay78 wrote:
And spare us the nonsense that Islam is a peaceful religion.

jhay78 wrote:
And spare us the nonsense that Islam is a peaceful religion.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

CenterBHSFan wrote: I don't get what you guys are saying.

In fact, I distinctly remember a whole discussion (not topic of a thread) concerning domestic terrorists.

Did ya'll forget? lol

Can't speak fro dw, but I was being sarcastic.

Writerbuckeye wrote: Really? I don't recall ever hearing in Bible school that we were to go out and kill infidels who didn't follow Christian beliefs.

cbus4life wrote:

jhay78 wrote:
And spare us the nonsense that Islam is a peaceful religion.

I would say that Christianity and Islam are pretty much the same, both very peaceful that have been, at times, had their holy books perverted by radicals in order to justify violence.

If you rationally study the two faiths, using the Bible and Koran as a guide, and supplementing that study with other resources, you'll find both to be largely peaceful, and preach compassion, acting "right," etc.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

jhay78 wrote:
And spare us the nonsense that Islam is a peaceful religion.

As someone who has read, translated portions of the Qur'an, and traveled to Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, I can say, largely it is a peaceful religion.

It is just the radicals have dominated the rhetoric, sermons and discussions.

jhay78 wrote:

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

jhay78 wrote:
And spare us the nonsense that Islam is a peaceful religion.

As someone who has read, translated portions of the Qur'an, and traveled to Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, I can say, largely it is a peaceful religion.

It is just the radicals have dominated the rhetoric, sermons and discussions.

I'll agree with that. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that radical Muslims have a far greater influence on world violence than 17 dudes out in the woods in southeastern Michigan.

Islam may be a largely peaceful religion, but it seems to be more so in countries where they make up a small minority of the population (US, Europe, etc.). In Middle Eastern countries and Indonesia (where they are the overwhelming majority), they're peaceful until you say "Hey dad, I want to become a Christian". Point being, "peaceful" doesn't translate into "religiously tolerant". And in our country, Christianity was the bedrock for the founding fathers' insistence on religious freedom and inalienable rights, neither of which are too common in Muslim countries.

So Paladin, be thankful that "rightwing Christain nutjobs" founded this country and not Muslims or anyone else.

jhay78 wrote: And spare us the nonsense that Islam is a peaceful religion.[/b]