Archive Jon Scheyer (All American) vs Jon Diebler (much maligned)

reclegend22

Posts: 8,772

Mar 27, 2010 11:51am

Pick6, you can't be serious?

I like Diebler, and Diebler shouldn't be allowed to go to the store and buy J.J. Redick socks. That's how weak Diebler is compared to J.J. Redick. Frankly, Diebler is a rich man's Kyle Hornsby (and Kyle Hornsby averaged 6 points-a-game as a senior at IU).

I'm sure you were only trying to stir controversy, but, in the off chance that you weren't, you need to work on your sports cred.

Cleveland Buck

Posts: 5,126

Mar 27, 2010 12:00pm

Neither of them will play in the NBA. Scheyer is a good college player, but he would get abused in the NBA. Diebler does nothing well enough to translate to the NBA. If he learns how to shoot when he is hurried by a closing defender, he might find a spot as a Jason Kapono type of guy, but he will never play significant minutes. More likely is that he will continue to put up bricks when he isn't all by himself, and he will be a D-league role player.

Mulva

Posts: 13,650

Mar 27, 2010 12:01pm

killer_ewok wrote: What is it with you and this link?

Go ahead, everybody....click on it. They don't have Diebler getting picked.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft

You have to switch it to the 2011 mock. They have him as the 46th overall pick. Not that it means anything at all.

thedynasty1998

Posts: 6,844

Mar 27, 2010 12:34pm

Someone really compared Diebler to Redick? Can that be submitted to SI for this weeks sign of the apocalypse?

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Prescott

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Mar 27, 2010 1:07pm

I like Diebler, and Diebler shouldn't be allowed to go to the store and buy J.J. Redick socks

At one time you claimed that Diebler would be 1st team all conference and an All-American. Good call.

SQ_Crazies

Posts: 7,977

Mar 27, 2010 1:13pm

JJ could create his own shot. That is a HUGE difference between them. And he is and was a much better shooter than Diebler.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Mar 27, 2010 1:19pm

Prescott wrote:
I like Diebler, and Diebler shouldn't be allowed to go to the store and buy J.J. Redick socks
At one time you claimed that Diebler would be 1st team all conference and an All-American. Good call.

He's still got a year, now doesn't he?

SQ_Crazies

Posts: 7,977

Mar 27, 2010 1:21pm

LOL if John Diebler is an All American next year, Kent State is going to win the championship.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Mar 27, 2010 1:22pm

I don't think he is going to be...but prescott takes everything so literally, so I figured I'd give him a taste of his own medicine.

ytownfootball

Posts: 6,978

Mar 27, 2010 1:25pm

Diebs doesn't move well without the ball and gives up baseline like 20 dollar whore.

Great catch and shoot guy, that's pretty much where you draw the line with him.

Red_Skin_Pride

Posts: 1,226

Mar 27, 2010 2:11pm

If Deibler plays in the NBA, I'm trying out.

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Prescott

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Mar 27, 2010 3:02pm

JJ could create his own shot.

Not in college. He needed staggered baseline screens to get open.

Automatik

Posts: 14,632

Mar 27, 2010 3:03pm

They both will be playing in Europe.

skank

Posts: 6,543

Mar 27, 2010 3:09pm

mattinctown wrote: What a surprise, an anti-Scheyer/Duke thread.

I know what you mean, if someone ever starts an anti Ohio State thread, I'll be pissed. :rolleyes:

reclegend22

Posts: 8,772

Mar 27, 2010 3:26pm

J.J. could create his own shot as a senior. You don't score over 40 three times without this ability. If one had actually watched Redick play in those games (against stout competition, no less: Texas, Georgetown and Virginia, and another 35 against Maryland and UNC), one would know this.

Between his junior and season seasons, J.J. perfected the art of driving for the foul or mid-range finish.

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Prescott

Posts: 2,569

Mar 27, 2010 3:34pm

J.J. perfected the art of driving for the foul or mid-range finish.

Here. I'll fix this for you.

J.J. perfected the art of driving for the foul. He couldn't finish. He did, however, benefit from some happy whistles.

From the very start it looked like it was going to be a rough night for Duke’s All-American guard. LSU small forward Garrett Temple forced him to put the ball on the floor time after time by absolutely draping him with his length, and Redick fell hook line and sinker for their plan and exposed all of his weaknesses by forcing his way into the lane time after time. It seemed like every time Redick touched the ball he either traveled, had the ball stripped, or when he did manage to get into the paint forced up a weak lay-up that rimmed out or had the ball swatted away by LSU’s gangly frontline. The Tigers threw multiple defenders at him off every single curl, trapped him once he got the ball in his hands and absolutely smothered him with their length every time he touched the ball. The biggest question marks Redick’s detractors have about his game, specifically his lack of explosiveness and ball-handling skills, were all exposed as major potential problems for him at the next level.

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k_boogy

Posts: 91

Mar 27, 2010 3:37pm

LOL at this JJ comparion at all. JJ was absolutely amazing in his senior year. The only comparison there is, they both shot a lot of 3s.

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Big Gain

Posts: 2,073

Mar 27, 2010 3:40pm

CinciX12 wrote: Kind of like OSU with Sienna last year?! Christ your guy's act towards Kansas is getting old.

Always showing your lack of intellect. NOTHING SIMILAR. Last year the Ohio State Sienna game was a 8 seed vs 9 seed. A TOSS UP GAME ignorant one.

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Prescott

Posts: 2,569

Mar 27, 2010 4:11pm

The only points he gets are uncontested 3 pointers

Actually, Diebler was 32/62 inside the arc. If he would learn to drive into the lane and flail his arms as he releases the ball, he could get 5 or 6 more free throws a game. Maybe, he will add that to his game next year.

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I drain 3's

Posts: 574

Mar 27, 2010 4:36pm

Unless Diebler improves TREMENDOUSLY in the offseason, adding multiple parts that are lacking in his game, he won't sniff the NBA, I don't care what some draft board says.

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I drain 3's

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Mar 27, 2010 4:43pm

I mean seriously, just take a minute and look at that site. Durand Scott (who?) in front of guys like Jordan Crawford, LaceDarius Dunn, and Manny Harris? Buford in front of Crawford? At this point, a mock draft two years away is a joke.

Hb31187

Posts: 8,534

Mar 29, 2010 10:02am

^^And still wont be an NBA player haha

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cview

Posts: 351

Mar 29, 2010 12:01pm

LOL at the people ripping on Diebler, Scheyer, or Redick. I hate the Dukies, but Redick has become a pretty solid player for a team that beat on the Eastern Conference last year. Those of you making it sound like not getting more than a slim shot at the NBA or playing overseas are bad things are dumbasses.

Diebler and Scheyer each...
-play for a top ten program in NCAA history
-are going to play professionally for a long time
-are better at basketball than most of us clowns on here are at, well, anything

Hb31187

Posts: 8,534

Mar 29, 2010 12:08pm

Nobody said they have a slim shot at playign overseas. saying they have a slim shot at the NBA.

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cview

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Mar 29, 2010 12:14pm

cview wrote: Those of you making it sound like not getting more than a slim shot at the NBA or playing overseas are bad things are dumbasses.

Hb31187 wrote: Nobody said they have a slim shot at playign overseas. saying they have a slim shot at the NBA.

Notice the or. My bad on the confusion.