CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Mar 24, 2010 10:30pm
What does the "health care reform" mean to me?
Absolutely nothing because I've yet to see it or anything like it.
I HAVE seen another government expansion set in place, but we're all old enough on this forum to discern that it doesn't qualify for the term "reform".
When I DO see some actual reform set to law, I'll try and remember to look this thread up. I might be senile by then, though.
Absolutely nothing because I've yet to see it or anything like it.
I HAVE seen another government expansion set in place, but we're all old enough on this forum to discern that it doesn't qualify for the term "reform".
When I DO see some actual reform set to law, I'll try and remember to look this thread up. I might be senile by then, though.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Mar 24, 2010 10:32pm
Inflation is a tax. That will be here shortly and will make letting the Bush tax cuts expire look like a joke.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 24, 2010 10:38pm
There have been plenty of tax raises. Just because they aren't taking more money out of your paycheck doesn't mean they haven't increased taxes. Anyone go to the tanning bed? Millions of Americans do. 10% tax for that. Anyone smoke, drink, like to drink soft drinks, etc. They have a multitude of ways to increase taxes without looking like they are taking more money away from your take home pay. Ultimately we will all pay for it.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 25, 2010 12:35am
Inflation? We're really stretching, aren't we?
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Mar 25, 2010 12:59am
Plenty in the new health care bill.stlouiedipalma wrote: A lot of you folks have claimed that our taxes would be rising dramatically ever since Obama won the election. Has this happened yet? Not a smart-assed question, I really want to know. I haven't really noticed anything different with my taxes, except that since I retired 3 years ago I have been able to claim the medical deduction because I pay over $14,000 per year in insurance premiums for me and my wife.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704117304575137370275522704.html
I'll go along with tax increases as long as the federal government matches the increase with across the board budget cuts. True cuts in spending, not reductions in the rate of growth. You with me?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 25, 2010 7:07am
Not at all. The massive amount of deficit spending will (not might, will) lead to a very high rate of inflation as the economy begins to otherwise improve.stlouiedipalma wrote: Inflation? We're really stretching, aren't we?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 25, 2010 8:28am
No. Even simple economics says that a raise in inflation has the same effect on spending/consumption/savings as a raise in taxes.stlouiedipalma wrote: Inflation? We're really stretching, aren't we?
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Mar 25, 2010 9:04am
The Bush Tax Cuts would have also lead to inflation, no?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 25, 2010 9:13am
The highest rate of inflation under Bush was his last year in office, and was under 4%. So to answer your question, no, not so much.derek bomar wrote: The Bush Tax Cuts would have also lead to inflation, no?
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/HistoricalInflation.aspx?dsInflation_currentPage=0
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 25, 2010 9:21am
And for the record, I don't know if the health care reform will be the direct cause of inflation, I was only pointing out inflation has essentially the same effects as a tax raise. There's a lot of different factors that play into a raise of inflation.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 25, 2010 10:25am
Our company's health insurance is up for renewel April 1st. It went up 10%. Can't wait to see what the next few years bring. 
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Mar 25, 2010 11:01am
Assuming this bill goes fully into effect -- you are going to see premiums increase quite a bit, and other similar costs incurred by companies. Those costs WILL BE PASSED ALONG TO CONSUMERS ALL OR IN PART.
That is nothing more than a de facto tax increase. And yes, it's also inflationary.
That is nothing more than a de facto tax increase. And yes, it's also inflationary.
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Paladin
Posts: 313
Mar 25, 2010 4:37pm
Strange. The only talk I have heard is that the Bush tax cuts for those making over $200k single /$250K family are the ones that will be eliminated. All other incomes below that get to keep the tax cuts. More lies from the Far Right ?? It would surely be keeping with their character. Politics as usual.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 25, 2010 8:21pm
Paladin,
They conveniently leave that out. By saying that a tax cut is going to expire they prey on that lowest common denominator out there who doesn't know the truth. Just like they seek out the lowest common denominator with the "fear" message.
We have been hearing the same old, same old about inflation since the day after Obama was elected. Actually we probably have been hearing it since he was nominated. To date, I don't believe these prophecies have come to pass. Neither have all the stories about Obama taking away everyones guns. It's just the politics of fear. The simple-minded buy it lock, stock and barrel and the Republicans know it and count on it to perpetuate their agenda.
They conveniently leave that out. By saying that a tax cut is going to expire they prey on that lowest common denominator out there who doesn't know the truth. Just like they seek out the lowest common denominator with the "fear" message.
We have been hearing the same old, same old about inflation since the day after Obama was elected. Actually we probably have been hearing it since he was nominated. To date, I don't believe these prophecies have come to pass. Neither have all the stories about Obama taking away everyones guns. It's just the politics of fear. The simple-minded buy it lock, stock and barrel and the Republicans know it and count on it to perpetuate their agenda.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 25, 2010 10:01pm
That goes both ways. Don't kid yourself.stlouiedipalma wrote: Paladin,
They conveniently leave that out. By saying that a tax cut is going to expire they prey on that lowest common denominator out there who doesn't know the truth. Just like they seek out the lowest common denominator with the "fear" message.
We have been hearing the same old, same old about inflation since the day after Obama was elected. Actually we probably have been hearing it since he was nominated. To date, I don't believe these prophecies have come to pass. Neither have all the stories about Obama taking away everyones guns. It's just the politics of fear. The simple-minded buy it lock, stock and barrel and the Republicans know it and count on it to perpetuate their agenda.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 25, 2010 10:07pm
Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Mar 25, 2010 10:20pm
Not totally sure that history would agree with you, but ok.stlouiedipalma wrote: Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 25, 2010 10:23pm
You're right, there is no campaigning by fear from the Democrats. That's why the stimulus bill had to pass, because this country would surely end without it. That's why health care had to pass, otherwise those 30 million Americans would surely die in the streets. Give me a break. Democrats use fear just as well as the other side. For you to believe otherwise is foolish.stlouiedipalma wrote: Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 25, 2010 11:23pm
Both parties are full of shit. Parties is what is wrong with politics today. And career politicians.stlouiedipalma wrote: Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 26, 2010 1:25am
Bush passed a stimulus bill.tk421 wrote:You're right, there is no campaigning by fear from the Democrats. That's why the stimulus bill had to pass, because this country would surely end without it. That's why health care had to pass, otherwise those 30 million Americans would surely die in the streets. Give me a break. Democrats use fear just as well as the other side. For you to believe otherwise is foolish.stlouiedipalma wrote: Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 26, 2010 4:35am
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 26, 2010 6:26am
You normally express views with which I disagree quite well, but this statement makes you look silly. You're better than this.stlouiedipalma wrote: Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 26, 2010 7:45am
That was TARP. Obama helped pass the stimulus bill shortly after he took officeI Wear Pants wrote:Bush passed a stimulus bill.tk421 wrote:You're right, there is no campaigning by fear from the Democrats. That's why the stimulus bill had to pass, because this country would surely end without it. That's why health care had to pass, otherwise those 30 million Americans would surely die in the streets. Give me a break. Democrats use fear just as well as the other side. For you to believe otherwise is foolish.stlouiedipalma wrote: Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Mar 26, 2010 9:27am
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/11/news/economy/bush_stimulus/ptown_trojans_1 wrote:That was TARP. Obama helped pass the stimulus bill shortly after he took officeI Wear Pants wrote:Bush passed a stimulus bill.tk421 wrote:You're right, there is no campaigning by fear from the Democrats. That's why the stimulus bill had to pass, because this country would surely end without it. That's why health care had to pass, otherwise those 30 million Americans would surely die in the streets. Give me a break. Democrats use fear just as well as the other side. For you to believe otherwise is foolish.stlouiedipalma wrote: Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 26, 2010 9:30am
Ahh, the first stimulus package. Yes, that was Bush. Then came TARP at the end of 08, and then Obama's 2nd stimulus at the start of 09.I Wear Pants wrote:http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/11/news/economy/bush_stimulus/ptown_trojans_1 wrote:That was TARP. Obama helped pass the stimulus bill shortly after he took officeI Wear Pants wrote:Bush passed a stimulus bill.tk421 wrote:You're right, there is no campaigning by fear from the Democrats. That's why the stimulus bill had to pass, because this country would surely end without it. That's why health care had to pass, otherwise those 30 million Americans would surely die in the streets. Give me a break. Democrats use fear just as well as the other side. For you to believe otherwise is foolish.stlouiedipalma wrote: Web, the Republicans INVENTED using fear as a campaign tactic and it was perfected by the likes of Karl Rove. To say it goes both ways only kids yourself.