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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 22, 2010 8:29am
Yaeh...a stunning opinion given the fact that the team just traded both of their starting quarterbacks. Have fun wearing your Jake Delhomme jersey next year. You'll be real popular down there at the sorority houses.SQ_Crazies wrote: LOL FW also believes that the Browns should draft a QB...wow...
The Equalizer
Posts: 1,003
Mar 22, 2010 8:43am
There is someone sitting there from a pissant school that Holmgren really likes and who's probably so far under the radar Mel Kiper doesn't know who the hell he is. Now whether he turns out to be a QB of the future...eh..but Holmgren knows how to coach up QBs and if Delhomme is a good mentor you never can tell.
That said, as a fan of my team, I hope to god that Cleveland butchers yet another draft but with Holmgren in charge now I don't like the fact they probably won't for a next couple of years.
That said, as a fan of my team, I hope to god that Cleveland butchers yet another draft but with Holmgren in charge now I don't like the fact they probably won't for a next couple of years.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2010 8:45am
Again...drafting a QB this year DOESN'T mean they will play ala Aikman, Manning, etc. Guys like Flacco & Roethlisberger were thrown into the fire when they had their starters (Maddox & Troy Smith) go down with injury/illness. The plan for a rookie in Cleveland would be to have them sit and watch while Delhomme takes the reigns.
If not now, when? What QB is in the draft NEXT year that people would prefer? And don't say Locker because he'll be drafted, probably, top 5 and we won't be picking top 5.
If not now, when? What QB is in the draft NEXT year that people would prefer? And don't say Locker because he'll be drafted, probably, top 5 and we won't be picking top 5.
From the Hills
Posts: 190
Mar 22, 2010 9:49am
I agree with going defense in the first round, I am not a fan of Bradford or Clausen. I wouldn't draft a qb until the 3rd round. I don't know whow will be available then, maybe Jevan Snead. I know he has his issues, but could be that Farve type qb Holmgren could mold into a winner.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Mar 22, 2010 9:52am
Hmmm, take me off your ignore list eh?Footwedge wrote:What was the record of the Cowboys when Aikman was a rookie? I'll help you...1-13. Do you think the Cowboys needed help elsewhere? The following year, the team made the playoffs and were there for a long time.devil1197 wrote: The waiting period is over?
If we draft another QB now, without addressing the other issues first, we will have another Tim Couch or Brady Quinn. A failed QB, somewhat due to their abilities but some blame can be put upon the lack of talent surrounding the team.
You cannot expect a QB to come from college into an organization like this and expect to win right away. Do what Baltimore did. Build a nasty defense and then draft a QB that doesn't have to be great to win (Flacco).
What was the record of the Pittspuke Steelers when they drafted Bradshaw #1 in 1970? Let me help you, iy was 1-13, do you think they needed help in other positions? And in Bradshaw's case, he was a risky proposition in that he played ball at Louisiana Tech.
You compare this situation with that of Tim Couch. As bad as the Browns are, they are nowhere near the level of putridocraty as the expansion team was. And as a sidenote, Couch was a complete flop anyhow. Wouldn't have mattered who drafted him. He never caught on with any other team.
You can't win without a good quarterback. Period. And in most cases, it takes a quarterback a couple of years to learn the NFL. the Mannings, Brees, Bradshaw, Favre and yes, even Tom Brady....all stunk their freshmen season.
You cited two whopping examples, hell their are two examples of 1st round QB's just with the Cleveland team since coming back that didn't pan out simply because there was no great talent around them. Now, if we draft a QB and groom him without throwing him to the wolves then I'd be okay with that.
But in our division you are not going to take any QB in this draft, put them at starter and expect them to be effective against the defenses of Pitt, Balt, and Cincinnati 6 times a year. I just do not want to see another promising QB ruined simply because he played too early and was shorthanded with talent on both sides of the football.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2010 9:55am
Again, I don't think Holmgren will throw a QB to the wolves and I highly doubt he uses our 1st rounder on a QB. I don't think he's that stupid and I don't think he'd knuckle under to fan pressure like Policy & Savage/Crennel did. Second round I could see them picking a QB though.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Mar 22, 2010 9:57am
Those are my thoughts.BR1986FB wrote: Again, I don't think Holmgren will throw a QB to the wolves and I highly doubt he uses our 1st rounder on a QB. I don't think he's that stupid and I don't think he'd knuckle under to fan pressure like Policy & Savage/Crennel did. Second round I could see them picking a QB though.
Maybe pair up some picks to get another 2nd.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2010 10:01am
If you look at Holmgren's draft history it wouldn't surprise me to see him draft a later round QB the next 3-5 years EVERY year. He has made comments about this before. Kind of the "never know when you're going to find a late round 'Tom Brady' approach.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 22, 2010 10:06am
The paper that mock drafts are printed on arent fit to even line a birds cage.
Seriously.
Mock drafts and "Bracketology" garbage half way athrough the season are a complete waste of time and space
Seriously.
Mock drafts and "Bracketology" garbage half way athrough the season are a complete waste of time and space
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 22, 2010 10:07am
with that said.....
you cannot believe ANYTHING a GM says before the draft.
Some day people will really believe that.
you cannot believe ANYTHING a GM says before the draft.
Some day people will really believe that.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2010 10:13am
Yeah, watch them TAKE Clausen.thavoice wrote: with that said.....
you cannot believe ANYTHING a GM says before the draft.
Some day people will really believe that.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 22, 2010 10:56am
^^that was my first thought when a browns fan told me what holmgren had reportedly said.
From the Hills
Posts: 190
Mar 22, 2010 11:22am
I thought Holmgren said "He doesn't dance much". Does that include pre draft discussions with the media??
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2010 11:31am
I think everyone "dances" somewhat at this time of year. If he says "we're not taking 'so and so'' every year, teams will start snatching players that they THINK he will take by leapfrogging us in the draft. Has to be some smokescreen.From the Hills wrote: I thought Holmgren said "He doesn't dance much". Does that include pre draft discussions with the media??
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 22, 2010 12:04pm
I imagine his comment about not dancing much meant one of two things....he doesnt believe in doing any physical activities himself, or he meant it as he doesnt dance around the subject to his players, coaches and such and tells em like it is.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 22, 2010 12:12pm
Now this post should be framed. Well stated...I still don't understand how A fraud like Mel Kiper has a job doing such.thavoice wrote: The paper that mock drafts are printed on arent fit to even line a birds cage.
Seriously.
Mock drafts and "Bracketology" garbage half way athrough the season are a complete waste of time and space
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 22, 2010 12:21pm
Read BR's reply...he sums it up really well. Would love to have Ndomican Suh, Eric Berry, and a top notch qb. But you can't have everything. Until this team finds a quarterback, there is no playoffs in the future.devil1197 wrote:Hmmm, take me off your ignore list eh?Footwedge wrote:What was the record of the Cowboys when Aikman was a rookie? I'll help you...1-13. Do you think the Cowboys needed help elsewhere? The following year, the team made the playoffs and were there for a long time.devil1197 wrote: The waiting period is over?
If we draft another QB now, without addressing the other issues first, we will have another Tim Couch or Brady Quinn. A failed QB, somewhat due to their abilities but some blame can be put upon the lack of talent surrounding the team.
You cannot expect a QB to come from college into an organization like this and expect to win right away. Do what Baltimore did. Build a nasty defense and then draft a QB that doesn't have to be great to win (Flacco).
What was the record of the Pittspuke Steelers when they drafted Bradshaw #1 in 1970? Let me help you, iy was 1-13, do you think they needed help in other positions? And in Bradshaw's case, he was a risky proposition in that he played ball at Louisiana Tech.
You compare this situation with that of Tim Couch. As bad as the Browns are, they are nowhere near the level of putridocraty as the expansion team was. And as a sidenote, Couch was a complete flop anyhow. Wouldn't have mattered who drafted him. He never caught on with any other team.
You can't win without a good quarterback. Period. And in most cases, it takes a quarterback a couple of years to learn the NFL. the Mannings, Brees, Bradshaw, Favre and yes, even Tom Brady....all stunk their freshmen season.
You cited two whopping examples, hell their are two examples of 1st round QB's just with the Cleveland team since coming back that didn't pan out simply because there was no great talent around them. Now, if we draft a QB and groom him without throwing him to the wolves then I'd be okay with that.
But in our division you are not going to take any QB in this draft, put them at starter and expect them to be effective against the defenses of Pitt, Balt, and Cincinnati 6 times a year. I just do not want to see another promising QB ruined simply because he played too early and was shorthanded with talent on both sides of the football.
Yes, it will take a year in dealing with a freshman's mistakes. Look at the Jets, or even the Lions. It most often takes a full year to learn. There have been exceptions. Roethlesberger was picked in the lowest part of the first round, and he won his first year. But Bradford and McCoy are both rated higher than what Roethlesberger was rated at the same stage.
Eventually, you have to find a quality qb...the longer you wait, the longer the franchise will suffer.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2010 12:45pm
I wouldn't draft a QB and throw him out there immediately like with Aikman, Manning, etc. Roethlisberger, Flacco and even Sanchez walked into the perfect storm...top 5 defenses and brutal rushing attacks. They could afford to be "game managers" their rookie year. We don't have the luxury of that defense although our rushing attack should be very good.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Mar 22, 2010 1:45pm
dont ya think the rushing attack will help the browns defense?BR1986FB wrote: I wouldn't draft a QB and throw him out there immediately like with Aikman, Manning, etc. Roethlisberger, Flacco and even Sanchez walked into the perfect storm...top 5 defenses and brutal rushing attacks. They could afford to be "game managers" their rookie year. We don't have the luxury of that defense although our rushing attack should be very good.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 22, 2010 2:02pm
You would think so but there will be a lot of changes personnel wise and it's yet to be proven. I doubt the Browns D goes from 32nd to top 5 during the off-season.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2010 2:32pm
It could but if that secondary doesn't get fixed the opposition could have very short/quick strike drives.KnightRyder wrote:dont ya think the rushing attack will help the browns defense?BR1986FB wrote: I wouldn't draft a QB and throw him out there immediately like with Aikman, Manning, etc. Roethlisberger, Flacco and even Sanchez walked into the perfect storm...top 5 defenses and brutal rushing attacks. They could afford to be "game managers" their rookie year. We don't have the luxury of that defense although our rushing attack should be very good.
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Mar 22, 2010 2:54pm
You would have a point if Brady were Clausen. It would be like saying, "No OSU QB will ever be good because Troy Smith isn't."sleeper wrote:Gotta love ND homers sticking up for there obvious busts. People said the same thing about Brady "He didn't play defense, etc" but look at him? Can't even hack it on one of the worst teams in the league and traded for 2 6th round draft picks LOLMr Pat wrote: You're right golf, Clausen sure played terrible on defense.
Gotta love people who see ND and think, "LOLZ, HE MUST BE BAD!!!111!!!!ONE!!111"
As to the one who said Tupa was a better QB... He threw 12 more picks than touchdowns...
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Mar 22, 2010 4:35pm
We are drafting a QB this draft, there is no doubt about it. The question is what round...
In fact, based on Holmgren's word and record, we will be drafting a qb pretty much every year during his tenure...
In fact, based on Holmgren's word and record, we will be drafting a qb pretty much every year during his tenure...
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Mar 22, 2010 6:09pm
I wouldn't be shocked if it's a smokescreen.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2010 6:14pm
100% FACT!Mr Pat wrote:
"No OSU QB will ever be good because Troy Smith isn't."