Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 19, 2010 10:50am
Not only would ESPN have ESPN and ESPN2 but they can utilize ABC for their prime games. I mean, in theory, ABC could have the same type of coverage as CBS with the other two ESPN channels showing other games. ABC would be the main headquarters for the tourney without cut-aways because it wouldnt be needed.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 19, 2010 4:45pm
Are you freakin' insane? CBS' late game cut-aways and cut-ins are far and and away superior to anything ESPN could ever dream of doing. ESPN doesn't know the difference between a fucking buzzer beater and a lawn chair.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 19, 2010 4:48pm
point is, with 3 channels they dont need to EVER cut away.reclegend22 wrote: Are you freakin' insane? CBS' late game cut-aways and cut-ins are far and and away superior to anything ESPN could ever dream of doing. ESPN doesn't know the difference between a fucking buzzer beater and a lawn chair.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 19, 2010 4:56pm
I wasn't referencing you, Laley. 
I was talking to the original poster's claim that CBS can't perform well-executed cut-ins and outs. He's extremely misplaced.
The only reason I wouldn't want ESPN covering the tourney, even with all the channels -- many of which they never use no matter what bc they're f'n stupid -- is because CBS' quality production will NEVER be topped. But I guess that's just a personal preference.
I was talking to the original poster's claim that CBS can't perform well-executed cut-ins and outs. He's extremely misplaced.
The only reason I wouldn't want ESPN covering the tourney, even with all the channels -- many of which they never use no matter what bc they're f'n stupid -- is because CBS' quality production will NEVER be topped. But I guess that's just a personal preference.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 19, 2010 5:03pm
I'll forgo a little production for seeing the game I want without interruption.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 19, 2010 5:23pm
I LOVE the coverage of CBS, and after the first 2 days the missing games isnt really an issue anyway. But I would like to watch 3 games at once on the opening days.
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Mar 19, 2010 5:49pm
ESPN Networks wouldnt have this 1.5 hrs of news either. We are missing a game each night so the locals can show their news.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Mar 19, 2010 5:52pm
The out of sync game could easily be avoided if they would just start the damn west coast games at the same time as everyone else. (The west sites don't play the first shift, and to make up for it we have the random game that's on now) So what if it's 9:30 AM local time? It's no worse than the 10PM tips in the evenings out east.september63 wrote: ESPN Networks wouldnt have this 1.5 hrs of news either. We are missing a game each night so the locals can show their news.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 19, 2010 6:10pm
Almost all of the local cable companies are having a free preview of CBS College Sports. Which is where the game is on right now.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 19, 2010 6:17pm
Well, Buckeye Cable isnt as far as I can tell.
Qualye has been AWFUL. They need him to step up big for any chance in this game.
Qualye has been AWFUL. They need him to step up big for any chance in this game.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 19, 2010 6:18pm
Should have said in Columbus lol
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 19, 2010 7:47pm
Only thing I hate about CBS is basically what they're doing right now.
I'd rather be watching the GA Tech/OK St. game which is tied 19-19 with under 9 minutes t go in the 1st, yet I'm watching the MSU/New Mexico St game that just started and MSU leads 7-3
I'd rather be watching the GA Tech/OK St. game which is tied 19-19 with under 9 minutes t go in the 1st, yet I'm watching the MSU/New Mexico St game that just started and MSU leads 7-3
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 19, 2010 7:55pm
Im not a huge fan of the regional thing either...but they kind of have to do it that way.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 19, 2010 7:56pm
On yeah, I know.. It'd be nice to have a choice though.
Maybe in the year 3000
Maybe in the year 3000
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 19, 2010 7:58pm
Honestly, they should be able to do that soon. Be able to pick what feed you want from your cable box.LTrain23 wrote: On yeah, I know.. It'd be nice to have a choice though.
Maybe in the year 3000
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 19, 2010 7:58pm
I wish ESPN would broadcast in 1080 rather than 720.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Mar 19, 2010 8:00pm
Or the NCAA should quit being douches and let CBS broadcast on 4 channels like they did a few years back.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 19, 2010 8:26pm
I thought all HD broadcasts were in 1080iWebFire wrote: I wish ESPN would broadcast in 1080 rather than 720.
However, 720p is better than 1080i, but 1080p is better than both.
september63
Posts: 5,789
Mar 19, 2010 8:56pm
GT/Ok St 45-45 in 2nd half and CBS cuts away to go back to Spokanne? This is why a change is needed.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 19, 2010 8:59pm
Thank you.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Mar 19, 2010 9:28pm
Yeah, not going to Tech-OSU in a tie game with under 90 seconds is inexcusable.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 19, 2010 9:34pm
720p is not better than 1080i, at least not on my tv. My DTV receiver has lights on the front that tells you what it is broadcasting in. ESPN is 720p, CBS is 1080i, although there isn't a light for 1080p, so I wonder if it is really 1080p?LTrain23 wrote:I thought all HD broadcasts were in 1080iWebFire wrote: I wish ESPN would broadcast in 1080 rather than 720.
However, 720p is better than 1080i, but 1080p is better than both.
Anyway, all the 1080 channels look noticeably better than ESPN.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 19, 2010 9:46pm
720p is better than 1080i, though the difference is hardly noticeable.
720p is a progressive scan, much like 1080p.
That is why ESPN produces in 720p. Progressive scan is much smoother/faster which in turn, makes sports look better because of the constant motion.
1080i is interlace, which isn't as smooth. Also, broadcasts in 1080i aren't always 1080i, meaning there aren't always 1080 lines interlaced into the feed.
When the day comes that we're able to get 1080p, it'll be heaven though..
I found this:
720p is a progressive scan, much like 1080p.
That is why ESPN produces in 720p. Progressive scan is much smoother/faster which in turn, makes sports look better because of the constant motion.
1080i is interlace, which isn't as smooth. Also, broadcasts in 1080i aren't always 1080i, meaning there aren't always 1080 lines interlaced into the feed.
When the day comes that we're able to get 1080p, it'll be heaven though..
I found this:
To answer the question, it's important to understand the difference between 720p vs 1080i. A 720p signal is made up of 720 horizontal lines. Each frame is displayed in its entirety on-screen for 1/30th of a second. This is know as progressive scan (hence the 'p')The quality is like watching 30 photographic images a second on TV. A 1080i signal comprises 1080 horizontal lines but all the lines are not displayed on-screen simultaneously. Instead, they are interlaced (hence the 'i'), ie every other lines is displayed for 1/60th of a second and then the alternate lines are displayed for 1/60th of a second. So, the frame rate is still 30 frames per second, but each frame is split into two fields, which your brain then puts together subconsciously.
Most of the time interlacing works fine, but for fast moving images, such as sports like baseball and hockey it can cause problems which manifest themselves as a 'stepping' effect on-screen. Progressive scan signals don't have this problem and so are better suited to sports.
ESPN puts it like this: 'Progressive scan technology produces better images for the fast moving orientation of sports television. Simply put, with 104 mph fastballs in baseball and 120 mph shots on goal in hockey, the line-by-line basis of progressive scan technology better captures the inherent fast action of sports. For ESPN, progressive scan technology makes perfect sense.'
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 19, 2010 9:52pm
Yeah I get all that. But with the difference so small, the 1080i looks better than the 720p. I have never noticed any difference in the smoothness, even when watching basketball. So I prefer the 1080i. I'm sure it depends on what TV you have as well.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 19, 2010 9:53pm
Funny, I was just reading that exact article.