ts1227 wrote: I've started a few threads here.

I provide a link, and an informed opinion (be it right or wrong), NOT TALKING POINTS AND NOTHING ELSE.

I'm not saying Believer and Quaker are wrong, but they have supplied nothing to prove that they have done any thinking themselves. (AKA FOLLOW FORUM RULES)

I may not be "correct", but at least I pull my head out of my favorite political figure's ass long enough to think for myself and follow forum protocol.

Any thread that Quaker, Believer. or you started were approved by the moderators. The moderators have been pretty tight in enforcing the rules. I doubt they would approve any threads that violated them. As for individual posts, that can be up for argument.

Believer and Quaker can speak for themselves, but I recall posts where they have pulled their head out of their ass and thought for themselves. Are not all posts our own thoughts? Maybe you are right and the RNC has a gun to their head while they post.

LJ wrote:

believer wrote:

LJ wrote:Funny that you guys think I enjoy dealing with the bullshit that this forum dishes out. If it wasn't for me there wouldn't be a politics forum. Justin didn't want one.

Gosh LJ...Thank you...thank you! Justin may not have wanted it but it's a fairly frequented forum...not to mention there no more "bullshit" found in the politics forum than any of the other forums where it's fine to slam, disparage, and post nonsensical crap. It's just odd that anything goes on the other forums but political banter needs "monitored." But I digress.

Because the politics forum is my forum and I don't want that crap in here. If you can't handle it, leave.

LJ wrote:Leave your "right and moral way" out of this. Take your straw man elsewhere.

believer wrote: Or what? You'll close down the thread because I expressed a political opinion?

I've never done that, but hey...keep talking! If all you can do is attack the poster and not their argument, I suggest you find another forum.

First of all if what LJ says is true about having this forum, then I would like to thank him for his efforts. With that being said, there needs to be some balance on this forum. LJ's political leanings are obvious and this is turning into another FOX entertainment channel. Maybe another moderator should be added that leans more to the left to actually give some balance. The stuff I see on here is getting ridiculous.

Bigdogg wrote: First of all if what LJ says is true about having this forum, then I would like to thank him for his efforts. With that being said, there needs to be some balance on this forum. LJ's political leanings are obvious and this is turning into another FOX entertainment channel. Maybe another moderator should be added that leans more to the left to actually give some balance. The stuff I see on here is getting ridiculous.

1. I don't really know what LJ's political leanings are. I doubt if anybody does, since he only posts about certain topics that he knows alot about.

2. There is another mod who (arguably) leans left. His name is Ptown.

Bigdogg wrote:

LJ wrote:

believer wrote:

LJ wrote:Funny that you guys think I enjoy dealing with the bullshit that this forum dishes out. If it wasn't for me there wouldn't be a politics forum. Justin didn't want one.

Gosh LJ...Thank you...thank you! Justin may not have wanted it but it's a fairly frequented forum...not to mention there no more "bullshit" found in the politics forum than any of the other forums where it's fine to slam, disparage, and post nonsensical crap. It's just odd that anything goes on the other forums but political banter needs "monitored." But I digress.

Because the politics forum is my forum and I don't want that crap in here. If you can't handle it, leave.

LJ wrote:Leave your "right and moral way" out of this. Take your straw man elsewhere.

believer wrote: Or what? You'll close down the thread because I expressed a political opinion?

I've never done that, but hey...keep talking! If all you can do is attack the poster and not their argument, I suggest you find another forum.

First of all if what LJ says is true about having this forum, then I would like to thank him for his efforts. With that being said, there needs to be some balance on this forum. LJ's political leanings are obvious and this is turning into another FOX entertainment channel. Maybe another moderator should be added that leans more to the left to actually give some balance. The stuff I see on here is getting ridiculous.

Why don't you stop whining like a little girl and PROVIDE the content you think is missing? You don't like the conservative arguments being presented, then counter them with some rational arguments (hard as that is for you, I'm sure) and some links to things that help to make your point.

Stop blaming the mods for simply doing their jobs.

Bigdogg wrote:
With that being said, there needs to be some balance on this forum. LJ's political leanings are obvious and this is turning into another FOX entertainment channel. Maybe another moderator should be added that leans more to the left to actually give some balance. The stuff I see on here is getting ridiculous.

And it makes me want to shut the forum down when people make up bullshit like this. You know nothing about my political leanings. I suggest you search the thread that had the political test and check out what my "leanings" are. If you follow the rules, your thread gets approved. If you don't, it doesn't. There is one poster who doesn't get threads approved because he has been banned from the forum about 800 times, but we still let him post, but not start threads.

I don't see what my political leanings would have to do with whether people start threads or not? Do you think I message posters and tell them to start threads?

I don't see what my political leanings would have to do with whether people start threads or not? Do you think I message posters and tell them to start threads?

I KNEW it was a conspiracy!!

I'm calling shenanigans!!

Bigdogg wrote: First of all if what LJ says is true about having this forum, then I would like to thank him for his efforts. With that being said, there needs to be some balance on this forum. LJ's political leanings are obvious and this is turning into another FOX entertainment channel. Maybe another moderator should be added that leans more to the left to actually give some balance. The stuff I see on here is getting ridiculous.

CenterBHSFan wrote: 1. I don't really know what LJ's political leanings are. I doubt if anybody does, since he only posts about certain topics that he knows alot about.

2. There is another mod who (arguably) leans left. His name is Ptown.

We need to get back on topic. But. yeah, I'm the other mod and in comparison to the rest of the forum, I am on the left side of the spectrum. But, that does not matter. The board is largely made up of conservatives, hence most threads are conservative in nature. It is the makeup of the population.

I am pretty liberal when it comes to approving threads, just so long as you follow the rules and provide links to back up your claims. That goes for posts in threads too. I may disagree with a lot of stuff on here, but I'm not going to turn into a Nazi and delete stuff left and right.

I like this forum and thank LJ for bringing it online and just do my best to maintain some general order.

Now, back on topic.

Bigdogg wrote: A more important issue is what role dose the AMA have in regulating the number of qualified people who get into med school? It's a matter of supply and demand, The AMA dose not want too many doctors in this country.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/15/nation/na-lobbying-ama15

So much for the idea of making the AMA the 'bad guys' from a liberal perspective. It has come out in favor of ObamaKare....some of the reason's for which I have indicated earlier in the thread. Essentially IMO the 'battle was lost' a long time ago when politcal pressure on docs and insurance companies to keep healthcare costs down resulted in PPOs, HMOs, and managed care. Persistant liberal uvulations about healthcare being a 'right' has led people to believe that healthcare is an entitlement....and that it should be paid for by someone else (whether that be insurance OR government.) The 'idea' that people should actually be responsible for paying for it, is no longer is a possibility....until and unless the government fails under the burden of the largesse.
No matter whether healthcare relies on insurance or the government to pay the bill, make no mistake, healthcare costs will continue to climb. Cat scans cost money, MRI's cost money, Dr's and highly trained auxillaries cost money, paperwork from inceasingly intrusive regulation and government oversight costs money.

Bigdogg wrote:
First of all if what LJ says is true about having this forum, then I would like to thank him for his efforts. With that being said, there needs to be some balance on this forum. LJ's political leanings are obvious and this is turning into another FOX entertainment channel. Maybe another moderator should be added that leans more to the left to actually give some balance. The stuff I see on here is getting ridiculous.

I would strongly disagree with your statement here. The old jjhuddle political board was dominated by radical right wingers. Here, not so much.

I think most posters that had polarized beliefs have come to learn and understand that the across the board lefties and conversely, the across the board righties, were not rational in their thinking, and have learned through this site's postings that the world is not just black and white, but loaded with gray area issues.

If I were to guess the political leanings of the 2 moderators, I would think that PTown has a very slight lean to the left and LJ has a very slight lean to the right...but I think they both represent the political landscape associated with being moderates.

My take...this site is a much better cross section of the political news, and is much more informative and entertaining than watching Fox or MSNBC. Nobody's opinions here are being backed by certain corporate sponsors as the cable media is. As such, you get a true temperature of the the overall feelings of Americans.

You can get a really good idea of which side this forum leans by reading the health care thread.

Bigdogg wrote: You can get a really good idea of which side this forum leans by reading the health care thread.

The moderators nor the forum owners have anything to do with the opinions of the members of this website.

Just like they say before an infomercial "The following views expressed are not necessarily the views of Ohio Chatter or it's management team"

I've never seen LJ on here stumping for one side or another. Ptown either for that matter.

HitsRus wrote:

Bigdogg wrote: A more important issue is what role dose the AMA have in regulating the number of qualified people who get into med school? It's a matter of supply and demand, The AMA dose not want too many doctors in this country.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/15/nation/na-lobbying-ama15

So much for the idea of making the AMA the 'bad guys' from a liberal perspective. It has come out in favor of ObamaKare....some of the reason's for which I have indicated earlier in the thread. Essentially IMO the 'battle was lost' a long time ago when politcal pressure on docs and insurance companies to keep healthcare costs down resulted in PPOs, HMOs, and managed care. Persistant liberal uvulations about healthcare being a 'right' has led people to believe that healthcare is an entitlement....and that it should be paid for by someone else (whether that be insurance OR government.) The 'idea' that people should actually be responsible for paying for it, is no longer is a possibility....until and unless the government fails under the burden of the largesse.
No matter whether healthcare relies on insurance or the government to pay the bill, make no mistake, healthcare costs will continue to climb. Cat scans cost money, MRI's cost money, Dr's and highly trained auxillaries cost money, paperwork from inceasingly intrusive regulation and government oversight costs money.

Good article and commentary Hits. Just another reminder that we don't live by a free market system as was originally drafted upon. But instead, a collusive endeavor whereby the large corporate oligarchs grab their big share of the future tax payer pie through corporate welfare practices.

I work in the legal/healthcare industry. Even though the AMA has endorsed Obamacare, I can tell you most, if not all of the doctors I know are against it. The ones who are for it are mainly in a university setting or the VA.

The physicians I know are furious with the AMA and cite their endorsement of ObamaKare as just one more example of how out of touch that organization is with its membership.

LJ wrote:

Bigdogg wrote: You can get a really good idea of which side this forum leans by reading the health care thread.

The moderators nor the forum owners have anything to do with the opinions of the members of this website.

Just like they say before an infomercial "The following views expressed are not necessarily the views of Ohio Chatter or it's management team"

You guys keep bitching about Obama and we have our own Karl Marx right here!!:@ Torches ready people! Lets run him out of these series of tubes!

I think how people hate LJ for no god damn reason is a good metaphor for people hating the government for no god damn reason.

People hate the people who have more control.

Ever notice how a good portion of kids hate their principal even though he might be a nice guy?

Many people hate their boss?

Or once kids have developed intellectually and begin to resent the control their parents have over them? "I'm 18 I can do what I want", etc

Perhaps the same thing happens with people and the President/government.

Pants,

Your post is the problem at bay: President Obama and the Government are not the people's boss/Principal. In fact, we are their boss.

That is why many people are so upset about the way the legislation was handled.

The Gettysburg Address-- Abraham Lincoln
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Semantics, the President and Congressman have always had more power than the everyman. Yes they are limited by the will of voters but I don't think anyone will dispute that they are more influential than say, me.

I mean look at congressional approval ratings over the years


We will always be disappointed by those in power to some degree no matter if that person is our teacher, coach, parent, boss, congressman, or president. Hell even congressman and presidents have lamented over the opinion(s) of their boss (us) sometimes.

None of us like the idea of being controlled but it's the price we've decided to collectively pay to have nice things like families and a "civilized" world.