^^To be fair, where do new technologies and medical breakthroughs come from?

Caterpillar taking a $100 million charge for extra costs due to this disastrous legislation (the employees will be hurt, one way or another)

Deere will take a $150 million hit (the employees will be hurt, one way or another)

Medtronic will lay off 1,000 due to the cost of this legilsation.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.

Change we can believe in .................................

jhay78 wrote: ^^To be fair, where do new technologies and medical breakthroughs come from?

Our system does almost all of the new technologies and drug breakthroughs compared to the rest of the world. And people here expect a level of care to be the best and most comprehensive, which also makes it more expensive.

Factor in the costs of defensive medicine because of the threat of lawsuits, and you likely account for all the differences in spending. That, and the fact that most of those countries ration care in some form or manner more than the US currently does.

Two simple steps like including strong tort reform and opening up insurance markets across state lines would have helped REDUCE some of these overall medical expenses and would NOT HAVE COST TAXPAYERS A DIME.

Those ideas were ignored by Democrats.

Writerbuckeye wrote: Those ideas were ignored by Democrats.

Well of course! Because government wouldn't have had the massive growth that it just incurred!!!

QuakerOats wrote: Caterpillar taking a $100 million charge for extra costs due to this disastrous legislation (the employees will be hurt, one way or another)

Deere will take a $150 million hit (the employees will be hurt, one way or another)

Medtronic will lay off 1,000 due to the cost of this legilsation.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.

Change we can believe in .................................

Let's add Verizon to the list:


“Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg's health-reform ideas are 180 degrees from Mr. Obama's, but Verizon's shareholders and 900,000 employees and retirees will still pay the price.”



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ctions_opinion


Change we can believe in ...............

majorspark wrote:

j_crazy wrote: is there any truth to the rumor that the writers of this bill accidentally ommited the language including pre-existing conditions in children into this bill and that it won't go into affect until 2014?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Gap-in-health-care-laws-apf-4272209396.html?x=0&.v=1

No ambiguity in the tanning tax though.

so can we now assume that no one proof read this thing before it passed? assuming the biggest and brightest star in this nut filled pile of shit is the healthcare for children and it was omitted, i'd say nobody that voted for it actually read the bill. otherwise someone would have caught it.

Ending Job lock the health care reform is good for the US

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2009/0905.gruber.html

Obamacare --- the bigger the lie:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...bigger_the_lie


Change we can believe in ...

Quaker, your link does not work.

i think we should get out of iraq and use that money for health care

Gblock wrote: i think we should get out of iraq and use that money for health care

He calculates $1 trillion could pave the entire U.S. interstate highway system with gold _ 23.5-karat gold leaf. It could buy every person on the planet an iPod. It could give every high school student in the United States a free college education. It could pay off every American's credit card. It could buy a Buick for every senior citizen still driving in the United States.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/27/what-we-could-have-spent_n_138410.html

Senate just passed the HCR fixes bill 56-43

The President was mocking the GOP and Tea Partiers in his speech about health care today.

Obama repeats a line he used the day he signed the health care reform law, mocking Republicans for predicting "Armageddon" upon its passage. "End of freedom as we know it!" he proclaims. "Asteroids falling. Some cracks opening up in the earth. Turned out, it was a nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still had their doctors.

This is going to do nothing to lessen the seething anger out there among a good size part of the nation.

IggyPride00 wrote: The President was mocking the GOP and Tea Partiers in his speech about health care today.

Obama repeats a line he used the day he signed the health care reform law, mocking Republicans for predicting "Armageddon" upon its passage. "End of freedom as we know it!" he proclaims. "Asteroids falling. Some cracks opening up in the earth. Turned out, it was a nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still had their doctors.

This is going to do nothing to lessen the seething anger out there among a good size part of the nation.

Arrogant BS like that is what sets me over the edge with this guy, and may as well include Pelosi, Reid, and anyone else leading this band of barking moonbats. I remember the Tea Partiers getting together last April 15th, and he was making fun of them then too.

So much for the great unifier, and the end of politics as usual in Washington. This clown was entrusted with the highest office in the land, in the greatest country in the world, and he is an absolute disgrace to that position.

IggyPride00 wrote:

Obama repeats a line he used the day he signed the health care reform law, mocking Republicans for predicting "Armageddon" upon its passage. "End of freedom as we know it!" he proclaims. "Asteroids falling. Some cracks opening up in the earth. Turned out, it was a nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still had their doctors.

They weren't chirping- they were lamenting what you're doing to this country and they were calling you a disgrace.

IggyPride00 wrote: The President was mocking the GOP and Tea Partiers in his speech about health care today.

Obama repeats a line he used the day he signed the health care reform law, mocking Republicans for predicting "Armageddon" upon its passage. "End of freedom as we know it!" he proclaims. "Asteroids falling. Some cracks opening up in the earth. Turned out, it was a nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still had their doctors.

This is going to do nothing to lessen the seething anger out there among a good size part of the nation.

I actually thought it was funny. But, I have an odd sense of humor.

He wants the "anger" so he will mock those that oppose this P.O.S. "law"

And people thought Bush was the arrogant A-hole!

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

IggyPride00 wrote: The President was mocking the GOP and Tea Partiers in his speech about health care today.

Obama repeats a line he used the day he signed the health care reform law, mocking Republicans for predicting "Armageddon" upon its passage. "End of freedom as we know it!" he proclaims. "Asteroids falling. Some cracks opening up in the earth. Turned out, it was a nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still had their doctors.

This is going to do nothing to lessen the seething anger out there among a good size part of the nation.

I actually thought it was funny. But, I have an odd sense of humor.

As a proud owner of a somewhat sarcastic sense of humor...I too found it funny. That doesn't mean it was a smart move or won't bite him in the ass at some point.

fish82 wrote:

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

IggyPride00 wrote: The President was mocking the GOP and Tea Partiers in his speech about health care today.

Obama repeats a line he used the day he signed the health care reform law, mocking Republicans for predicting "Armageddon" upon its passage. "End of freedom as we know it!" he proclaims. "Asteroids falling. Some cracks opening up in the earth. Turned out, it was a nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still had their doctors.

This is going to do nothing to lessen the seething anger out there among a good size part of the nation.

I actually thought it was funny. But, I have an odd sense of humor.

As a proud owner of a somewhat sarcastic sense of humor...I too found it funny. That doesn't mean it was a smart move or won't bite him in the ass at some point.

True... Politicians must guard against all possible outcomes. If this legislation does usher in the End Days as prophesied by the Book of Revelation, his approval numbers are totally going to take a hit.

I actually thought it was funny. But, I have an odd sense of humor.

I thought it was really funny too. I just marvel that there is this segment of the country that is becoming unhinged with rage over this hc bill, and his answer is to make fun of them essentially just to rub it in a little more they were powerless to stop him.

David Axlerod has also been making the rounds lately attributing the passage of hc reform to the tea party because they voted Scott Brown in. He said that was the seminal moment in the debate because it gave them political cover to use reconciliation since they didn't have 60 senate votes anymore.

I think the White House feels much more at ease mocking the Tea Party now because of a bunch of polls recently that show like 80% of them identify as Republicans, and the media is just portraying them as the crazy fringe off spring of the GOP and not some serious independent grass roots movement.[/i]

jhay78 wrote:

IggyPride00 wrote: The President was mocking the GOP and Tea Partiers in his speech about health care today.

Obama repeats a line he used the day he signed the health care reform law, mocking Republicans for predicting "Armageddon" upon its passage. "End of freedom as we know it!" he proclaims. "Asteroids falling. Some cracks opening up in the earth. Turned out, it was a nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still had their doctors.

This is going to do nothing to lessen the seething anger out there among a good size part of the nation.

Arrogant BS like that is what sets me over the edge with this guy, and may as well include Pelosi, Reid, and anyone else leading this band of barking moonbats. I remember the Tea Partiers getting together last April 15th, and he was making fun of them then too.

So much for the great unifier, and the end of politics as usual in Washington. This clown was entrusted with the highest office in the land, in the greatest country in the world, and he is an absolute disgrace to that position.

Please,Please,Please,Please explain to me how he is a disgrace to the position?? Is it because you simply don't like him?

I'll wait for your answer

As for the statement...he isn't wrong

jhay78 wrote: Arrogant BS like that is what sets me over the edge with this guy, and may as well include Pelosi, Reid, and anyone else leading this band of barking moonbats. I remember the Tea Partiers getting together last April 15th, and he was making fun of them then too.

So much for the great unifier, and the end of politics as usual in Washington. This clown was entrusted with the highest office in the land, in the greatest country in the world, and he is an absolute disgrace to that position.

He has no class ............ Chicago politics and activist/agitator showing through. You can't change your stripes.

What a complete disaster and an embarrasment on top of it.

Change we can believe in ....

RedBlackAttack wrote:

fish82 wrote:

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

IggyPride00 wrote: The President was mocking the GOP and Tea Partiers in his speech about health care today.

Obama repeats a line he used the day he signed the health care reform law, mocking Republicans for predicting "Armageddon" upon its passage. "End of freedom as we know it!" he proclaims. "Asteroids falling. Some cracks opening up in the earth. Turned out, it was a nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still had their doctors.

This is going to do nothing to lessen the seething anger out there among a good size part of the nation.

I actually thought it was funny. But, I have an odd sense of humor.

As a proud owner of a somewhat sarcastic sense of humor...I too found it funny. That doesn't mean it was a smart move or won't bite him in the ass at some point.

True... Politicians must guard against all possible outcomes. If this legislation does usher in the End Days as prophesied by the Book of Revelation, his approval numbers are totally going to take a hit.

Not if he's actually the anti-christ like the right would have us believe. Then all of those tormented souls would do his bidding. Including approving of him.

Communists praise Obamacare

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cuban-....html?x=0&.v=1

All you need to know ................. change we can believe in .......

The words would have been funny if somebody like a comedian said them.

But now here we have the President of the United States openly and proudly making fun of/mocking fellow Americans.

Yeah, that is disgraceful and I'm ashamed of him for doing it.