reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 13, 2010 5:34pm
Another scenario:
If WVU loses, and Duke wins, OSU has no shot. (Very trivial addition to my scenarios above -- just a slight tweak -- but necessary to clear confusion here).
If WVU loses, and Duke wins, OSU has no shot. (Very trivial addition to my scenarios above -- just a slight tweak -- but necessary to clear confusion here).
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Mar 13, 2010 5:39pm
I honestly don't see how defeating Virginia, Miami, and GT or NC. State improves duke's resume.
If WVU wins they will have beaten two NCAA tournament teams and a team that thrashed duke.
If WVU wins they will have beaten two NCAA tournament teams and a team that thrashed duke.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2010 6:04pm
reclegend22 wrote: If Duke wins the ACC tomorrow, the Blue Devils take the one seed. If WVU wins, things get interesting.
If both Duke and WVU win, OSU has no shot.
That will probably happen, but it shouldn't. If Duke and WVU both win their respective conference tourneys, WVU should take the 4th 1 seed, however since it is Duke...they'll get the benefit of the doubt.
Scarlet_Fever
Posts: 736
Mar 13, 2010 6:04pm
I agree even though I do not think Duke is more deserving than WVU. They are only more deserving than OSU because of what happened while Turner was out. (I'm not saying those games shouldn't count just that I think things would be different if he hadn't missed 6 games.) Duke will get it because they are Duke. Then get beat in the second round like always.reclegend22 wrote: If Duke wins the ACC tomorrow, the Blue Devils take the one seed. If WVU wins, things get interesting.
If both Duke and WVU win, OSU has no shot.
This will give WVU a great shot at the final four being the top team in their region. ( I think WVU will get the top 2 seed and be paired with Duke)
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:05pm
OSU doesn't deserve a #1 seed, for God's sake they're ranked lower than Purdue!Scarlet_Fever wrote:This.SportsAndLady wrote:Lol if Duke loses in the ACC Tourney, there is a 0% chance they get a 1 seed.rock_knutne wrote: Kansas, Kentucky and Syracuse are locks and the final 1 seed will be between WVU and Duke. If both win their conference tourneys, the nod has to go to WVU. If both lose, I'd give it to Duke.
If both lose, and OSU wins the Big Ten, it's OSU's. If all 3 teams lose, then it's WVU.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2010 6:07pm
Since when do polls matter in determining seeds?rock_knutne wrote:OSU doesn't deserve a #1 seed, for God's sake they're ranked lower than Purdue!Scarlet_Fever wrote:This.SportsAndLady wrote:Lol if Duke loses in the ACC Tourney, there is a 0% chance they get a 1 seed.rock_knutne wrote: Kansas, Kentucky and Syracuse are locks and the final 1 seed will be between WVU and Duke. If both win their conference tourneys, the nod has to go to WVU. If both lose, I'd give it to Duke.
If both lose, and OSU wins the Big Ten, it's OSU's. If all 3 teams lose, then it's WVU.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 13, 2010 6:09pm
If both WVU and Duke lose, and OSU wins tomorrow, OSU should get the number 1...you don't agree with that?rock_knutne wrote:OSU doesn't deserve a #1 seed, for God's sake they're ranked lower than Purdue!Scarlet_Fever wrote:This.SportsAndLady wrote:Lol if Duke loses in the ACC Tourney, there is a 0% chance they get a 1 seed.rock_knutne wrote: Kansas, Kentucky and Syracuse are locks and the final 1 seed will be between WVU and Duke. If both win their conference tourneys, the nod has to go to WVU. If both lose, I'd give it to Duke.
If both lose, and OSU wins the Big Ten, it's OSU's. If all 3 teams lose, then it's WVU.
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:09pm
They only matter when they help your cause.:rolleyes:SportsAndLady wrote: Since when do polls matter in determining seeds?
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:10pm
DeyDurkie5 wrote:If both WVU and Duke lose, and OSU wins tomorrow, OSU should get the number 1...you don't agree with that?
Nope, I'd still give it to Duke.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2010 6:11pm
Umm...no? No one brings up polls when determining positioning for seeds. Because they are irrelevant.rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^They only matter when they help your cause.:rolleyes:
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:12pm
Tell that to Syracuse.SportsAndLady wrote:Umm...no? No one brings up polls when determining positioning for seeds. Because they are irrelevant.rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^They only matter when they help your cause.:rolleyes:
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2010 6:12pm
Are you serious? If Duke loses in the shitty ACC Tournament, there is no way they get a #1 seed. If you think they would still deserve it, I guess that's your opinion...but it'd be wrong.rock_knutne wrote:DeyDurkie5 wrote:If both WVU and Duke lose, and OSU wins tomorrow, OSU should get the number 1...you don't agree with that?
Nope, I'd still give it to Duke.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2010 6:13pm
Syracuse has a great record, won the regular season title in the toughest conference in the country, and has great victories on the season (@ WVU, @ Gtown, Villanova). That's what Syracuse uses as their reasoning for being a 1 seed.rock_knutne wrote:Tell that to Syracuse.SportsAndLady wrote:Umm...no? No one brings up polls when determining positioning for seeds. Because they are irrelevant.rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^They only matter when they help your cause.:rolleyes:
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:15pm
SportsAndLady wrote: Are you serious? If Duke loses in the shitty ACC Tournament, there is no way they get a #1 seed. If you think they would still deserve it, I guess that's your opinion...but it'd be wrong.
That's right, it's my opinion and no one said you would be wrong.
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:17pm
........isn't that a direct reflection of their #3 ranking?SportsAndLady wrote:Syracuse has a great record, won the regular season title in the toughest conference in the country, and has great victories on the season (@ WVU, @ Gtown, Villanova). That's what Syracuse uses as their reasoning for being a 1 seed.
Scarlet_Fever
Posts: 736
Mar 13, 2010 6:20pm
Care to explain why? If OSU and WVU both win their tourneys both of their resumes are as good or better. They both play in tougher conference. Both would have won their conference tournament. WVU would have the same amount of losses as Duke. OSU just one more (3 minus Turner which I believe will be factored in) So please tell me why you would still give it to Duke other than they are Duke and you don't like OSU?rock_knutne wrote:DeyDurkie5 wrote:If both WVU and Duke lose, and OSU wins tomorrow, OSU should get the number 1...you don't agree with that?
Nope, I'd still give it to Duke.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2010 6:21pm
Yeah but it's not like you'll hear people saying "they should be the 1 seed because they're ranked #3!"rock_knutne wrote:........isn't that a direct reflection of their #3 ranking?SportsAndLady wrote:Syracuse has a great record, won the regular season title in the toughest conference in the country, and has great victories on the season (@ WVU, @ Gtown, Villanova). That's what Syracuse uses as their reasoning for being a 1 seed.
It'll be because of the 3 reasons I put...hence, rankings are irrelevant.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Mar 13, 2010 6:36pm
What if K-State beats Kansas. Does that put them in the discussion?
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 13, 2010 6:40pm
If all three -- Duke, WVU and Ohio State -- win their conference tourneys, West Virginia definitely has an argument for the one, and very well could get it over Duke. If only Duke and Ohio win their tourneys, Ohio State doesn't have a strong argument against Duke, even with Turner, and Duke will get it. Duke's resume, if I'm not mistaken, from top to bottom -- SOS, RPI, top non-conference wins, etc. -- all trump OSU. At least the most important ones, in the eyes of the committee.
I'd be willing to hear your arguments, though.
I'd be willing to hear your arguments, though.
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:47pm
Scarlet_Fever wrote:Care to explain why? If OSU and WVU both win their tourneys both of their resumes are as good or better. They both play in tougher conference. Both would have won their conference tournament. WVU would have the same amount of losses as Duke. OSU just one more (3 minus Turner which I believe will be factored in) So please tell me why you would still give it to Duke other than they are Duke and you don't like OSU?
Because I think Duke is better, sorry if that doesn't meet your criteria for a good enough reason.
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:52pm
SportsAndLady wrote: Yeah but it's not like you'll hear people saying "they should be the 1 seed because they're ranked #3!"
It'll be because of the 3 reasons I put...hence, rankings are irrelevant.
They're ranked third because of that "body of work". Really, most teams in the top 8 that get ousted early from their conference tournament will get a direct benefit from that high ranking when it comes to 1 and 2 seeds.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2010 6:55pm
Haha that is a fucking awful reason...I don't even know why I'm arguing with you when you clearly do not know anything about the selection process.rock_knutne wrote:Scarlet_Fever wrote:Care to explain why? If OSU and WVU both win their tourneys both of their resumes are as good or better. They both play in tougher conference. Both would have won their conference tournament. WVU would have the same amount of losses as Duke. OSU just one more (3 minus Turner which I believe will be factored in) So please tell me why you would still give it to Duke other than they are Duke and you don't like OSU?
Because I think Duke is better, sorry if that doesn't meet your criteria for a good enough reason.
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rock_knutne
Mar 13, 2010 6:59pm
It'a an awful reason to you because you disagree with it. Opinions, everyone one has them pal and I know enough about the selection process that I don't need a lecture from a "know it all" like you!SportsAndLady wrote:Haha that is a fucking awful reason...I don't even know why I'm arguing with you when you clearly do not know anything about the selection process.rock_knutne wrote:Scarlet_Fever wrote:Care to explain why? If OSU and WVU both win their tourneys both of their resumes are as good or better. They both play in tougher conference. Both would have won their conference tournament. WVU would have the same amount of losses as Duke. OSU just one more (3 minus Turner which I believe will be factored in) So please tell me why you would still give it to Duke other than they are Duke and you don't like OSU?
Because I think Duke is better, sorry if that doesn't meet your criteria for a good enough reason.
Scarlet_Fever
Posts: 736
Mar 13, 2010 8:22pm
Well it's not criteria at all. It's an opinion. I'm willing for sure to listen to your thoughts on why you think Duke is better. But just saying they are better because you said so that's no arguement. That's what I tell my kids when I don't really have a good reason.rock_knutne wrote:Scarlet_Fever wrote:Care to explain why? If OSU and WVU both win their tourneys both of their resumes are as good or better. They both play in tougher conference. Both would have won their conference tournament. WVU would have the same amount of losses as Duke. OSU just one more (3 minus Turner which I believe will be factored in) So please tell me why you would still give it to Duke other than they are Duke and you don't like OSU?
Because I think Duke is better, sorry if that doesn't meet your criteria for a good enough reason.
I would love if we could ever get actual debates around here rather than just this is my opinion and if you don't agree then blankety, blank, blank, blank. Really you won't give me a reason because you can't. If Duke wins they are for sure worthy of a number one. Heck maybe even so if they lose. But they are not head and shoulders above the other two. They just look that way because they are Duke.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 13, 2010 8:46pm
no no, it's a pretty awful reason...I think Texas should get a one seed because I think they are better than Duke! There it's my opinion and I'm right!rock_knutne wrote:It'a an awful reason to you because you disagree with it. Opinions, everyone one has them pal and I know enough about the selection process that I don't need a lecture from a "know it all" like you!SportsAndLady wrote:Haha that is a fucking awful reason...I don't even know why I'm arguing with you when you clearly do not know anything about the selection process.rock_knutne wrote:Scarlet_Fever wrote:Care to explain why? If OSU and WVU both win their tourneys both of their resumes are as good or better. They both play in tougher conference. Both would have won their conference tournament. WVU would have the same amount of losses as Duke. OSU just one more (3 minus Turner which I believe will be factored in) So please tell me why you would still give it to Duke other than they are Duke and you don't like OSU?
Because I think Duke is better, sorry if that doesn't meet your criteria for a good enough reason.