http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html

Will reality set in for dem's before they go completely overboard and potentially lose both majorities in congress?

I think it could /would be a lot worse, but the R's are just disorganized. The thing that is funny is that the D's continue along a suicide path. It's almnost a battle of who could fuck up worse.

QuakerOats wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html

Will reality set in for dem's before they go completely overboard and potentially lose both majorities in congress?

Sorry but that aint gonna happen

Considering it is not even May yet, who knows what is going to happen. But, it does not look good for the D's.

If I was to guess, I'd say the R's take the Senate somehow, and get real close to taking the House.

HitsRus wrote: It's almnost a battle of who could fuck up worse.

Does anything else need to be said after this? lol

The mid-terms may not be all that bad for Dems. After all, the Rs haven't put forth any new ideas. All they are doing is opposing Obama.

When the dust clears, the Ds will still control the House & Senate. Wishful thinking on the Rs part won't change the outcome.

FairwoodKing wrote: The mid-terms may not be all that bad for Dems. After all, the Rs haven't put forth any new ideas. All they are doing is opposing Obama.

That might be the only thing they need to do. People are not happy with Obama's performance.

It's good to have one party control one branch and another party control the other branch. It keeps the checks and balances in effect. We saw what Bush and a Republican Congress did and how they screwed everything up. Now we're seeing the same thing with Obama and a Democratic Congress.

Things were good in the Clinton years because a Dem was in office but the Repubs had Congress. When one party controls all, it's not good.

Checks and balances, my friend.

Two words for you people: Slaughter Option.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/House-Democrats-looking-at-Slaughter-Solution-to-pass-Obamacare-without-a-vote-on-Senate-bill-87267402.html

Nancy....please do this....I'm begging you!!!

Seriously, if they are crazy enough to enact this shitpile through methods like this, both houses will be lost in routs of epic proportions. This is just political ineptitude on an epic scale.

FairwoodKing wrote: The mid-terms may not be all that bad for Dems. After all, the Rs haven't put forth any new ideas. All they are doing is opposing Obama.

As long as you people keep idiotically burning your own house down, I'd imagine the Pubs are pretty content to sit back and let you carry on.

fish82 wrote: Two words for you people: Slaughter Option.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/House-Democrats-looking-at-Slaughter-Solution-to-pass-Obamacare-without-a-vote-on-Senate-bill-87267402.html

Nancy....please do this....I'm begging you!!!

Seriously, if they are crazy enough to enact this shitpile through methods like this, both houses will be lost in routs of epic proportions. This is just political ineptitude on an epic scale.

The assholes up on Capitol Hill are playing games with this whole mess as if they're trying to minipulate thier girlfriend or one-up some kid on the playground. I think they've lost all grasp on reality, and only see a "win" versus doing what is right.

FairwoodKing wrote: The mid-terms may not be all that bad for Dems. After all, the Rs haven't put forth any new ideas. All they are doing is opposing Obama.

The thing is that the Repubs have brought forth ideas on this healthcare issue, but you don't hear any of them out there. The damn media has turned this into an "all or nothing" stand-off with Obamacare.
As far as the midterm elections, the Dems will fall from power, there will be 2 party rule again, and the economy and everything else will recover within 2 years because the assholes up on the Hill will not be able to ruin anything else - and the markets will take over and self correct...just like with Clinton.

I think the Republicans definitely have the advantage at the moment, but i don't think it will be nearly the easy victory that many R's are predicting. Lots can still change between now and November, and while the anti-Democrat groups are most vocal, i still think there is a large base on the Democratic side that is very satisfied at the moment, and will vote for D's again.

pinstriper wrote:

FairwoodKing wrote: The mid-terms may not be all that bad for Dems. After all, the Rs haven't put forth any new ideas. All they are doing is opposing Obama.

The thing is that the Repubs have brought forth ideas on this healthcare issue, but you don't hear any of them out there. The damn media has turned this into an "all or nothing" stand-off with Obamacare.
As far as the midterm elections, the Dems will fall from power, there will be 2 party rule again, and the economy and everything else will recover within 2 years because the assholes up on the Hill will not be able to ruin anything else - and the markets will take over and self correct...just like with Clinton.

There you go again making up so called "facts". There are lots of things in the health care proposals that both partys agree on.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=arxUsab8ZDWQ

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzU0MDYxMWEyOTdiNGU1OGU3ZjYzYmE3Y2ZlZDQ5NTY=

Amazing. I hope Stupak sticks to his guns.

QuakerOats wrote: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzU0MDYxMWEyOTdiNGU1OGU3ZjYzYmE3Y2ZlZDQ5NTY=

Amazing. I hope Stupak sticks to his guns.

Stupak won't change his mind, but I hope the other eleven do. We need healthcare reform and we need it now. After all, Obama talked about reform when he was running, so everybody has known from day one what he is all about. And the people voted him in, so someone must want it.

^^^It would be foolish to think that Obama was elected because of his views on healthcare reform. He was elected in part by a knee jerk reaction against the war policies of GWB, the failing economy, the novelty of a person of color running for President etc. Lots of people want some sort of healthcare reform or coverage...but what is increasingly clear is that a large percentage of the populaton DOES NOT WANT what is being proposed...and DOES NOT WANT the government involved in healthcare. This is not a mild disapproval...they are vehemently opposed.

QuakerOats wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html

Will reality set in for dem's before they go completely overboard and potentially lose both majorities in congress?

You're the last person who should be speaking about such a topic

HitsRus wrote: ^^^It would be foolish to think that Obama was elected because of his views on healthcare reform. He was elected in part by a knee jerk reaction against the war policies of GWB, the failing economy, the novelty of a person of color running for President etc. Lots of people want some sort of healthcare reform or coverage...but what is increasingly clear is that a large percentage of the populaton DOES NOT WANT what is being proposed...and DOES NOT WANT the government involved in healthcare. This is not a mild disapproval...they are vehemently opposed.

There is a very vocal minority that is vehemently opposed, but I really don't think most people are. I am on disability and my healthcare is very important to me. My insurance company really screwed me this year by raising the cost of premiums and copays by a significant amount. I would welcome the government's protection.

FairwoodKing wrote: There is a very vocal minority that is vehemently opposed, but I really don't think most people are. I am on disability and my healthcare is very important to me. My insurance company really screwed me this year by raising the cost of premiums and copays by a significant amount. I would welcome the government's protection.

If it is just a vocal minority prove it. I don't know your personal situation, but if you are on disability are you not receiving government assistance? Who is providing your health care?

Loud does not necessarily equate to correct. Little kids often try to out yell thelr adversaries in the hope that they will give in. there is opposition to Obama's policies, but to say there is this large and "vehemently opposed" group when it comes to health care and the need for reform is, in my opinion, vastly exaggerated.
The proof of course, will be evident with the upcoming elections and the last two years of Obama's first administration, but I don't believe for a moment that there is this overwhelming "throw the bum out because of his health care ideas" feeling out there. There are millions of Americans who are terribly concerned with the cost and availability of good health care. It's a lot easier to be cavalier about the issue of health care if you are one of the lucky folks that still has yours in tact. Lots of folks who used to, don't anymore.

FairwoodKing wrote:There is a very vocal minority that is vehemently opposed, but I really don't think most people are. I am on disability and my healthcare is very important to me. My insurance company really screwed me this year by raising the cost of premiums and copays by a significant amount. I would welcome the government's protection.

I don't know a single person in my small sphere of influence (family, friends, coworkers, church, etc.) who are ready to "welcome government's protection" in their personal health care. Protection? LMAO

Do you realize the single largest health care "protection unit" in this nation that is more likely to deny health care coverage to its clients is not a private insurer but a public one? That's right...It's Medicare. Why, why, why do you liberals think that we should expand on that?

The impact of the Tea Party Movement, the town hall meetings, most posters on this forum and even a growing number of pundits in the leftist media seem to be in conflict with your notion that it's a "vocal minority that is vehemently opposed."

You may be on disability so your views on the subject are naturally skewed. I firmly believe that most of us don't share the same views.

This incessant and bizarre drive by the Dems to go against the people's will regarding government takeover of 1/6th of the economy has been absolutely breathtaking. If they are successful at ramming a hugely unpopular idea down American throats it will come back to haunt them big time in the coming election cycles.

Ironically the American electorate should blame itself for giving the socialists an opportunity to pilot the DC train wreck.

This incessant and bizarre drive by the Dems to go against the people's will regarding government takeover of 1/6th of the economy has been absolutely breathtaking. If they are successful at ramming a hugely unpopular idea down American throats it will come back to haunt them big time in the coming election cycles.

"Elections have consequences." - George W. Bush

You may be right...if a majority of the American people hate this as much as you claim, the Dems will be out on their asses come November. In the meantime, Obama and the Dems were elected convincingly in 2008, and anyone who was paying attention knew health care reform would be a priority if that happened.

People can cite current polls and vocal opposition all they want...the poll that mattered was in Nov. 2008, and will be again this fall.

believer wrote: Do you realize the single largest health care "protection unit" in this nation that is more likely to deny health care coverage to its clients is not a private insurer but a public one? That's right...It's Medicare. Why, why, why do you liberals think that we should expand on that?

According to the American Medical Association’s 2008 Health Insurance Report Card , the health insurer that denies the most claims is Medicare. Check out the link below.

See Metric 12 - Percentages of claim lines denied.
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/reportcard.pdf



Then look at the tables where the denials are broken out as to why they were rejected. Compare private insurance companies to Medicare. 21% of Medicare’s claim denials had the following description: "These are non-covered services because this is not deemed a medical necessity by the payer."

A quick search of the internet will get you countless websites dedicated to helping medicare beneficiaries with their denied claims. Here is one for your viewing pleasure. Fairwood you may want to bookmark this site. If you think you are going to ride the government gravy train to Health care Heaven, it may feel more like riding in a boxcar on the way to Health care Hell. You may find out that a government agency can be a major pain in the ass to deal with. Good luck.
http://www.bottomlinesecrets.com/article.html?article_id=46529