majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Mar 11, 2010 1:21pm
If that is the case why do only 5 states have same sex marriage. Some allow some sort of legal union. The vast majority (31 I believe) outright ban it.cbus4life wrote: Yes. It is discrimination, plain and simple.
I understand majorspark's point, but this case is pretty cut-and-dry. We no longer live in a society where this attitude is acceptable. She was discriminated against based on sexual orientation. That is wrong.
I hope the girl and her parents fight it, take it as far as it needs to go, and demand equal rights in this regard.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Mar 11, 2010 1:22pm
If we let the locals decide, the schools still might not be desegrated in certain parts of the country.majorspark wrote:In your opinion it is outside their authority. In others it is not outside their authority to decide what can be done on school property at a school sponsered event. Let the locals decide.FatHobbit wrote: I agree that the school board is elected to make rules, but I don't think they have any business making rules about who a student can or can't date, or who they can or can't bring to prom. That's outside their authority in my opinion.
It also strange to me that the same people will jump all over a child or parent who wants to say a prayer at a school event such as graduation. Is the student not expressing his or her own personal beliefs?
(P.S. I AM NOT comparing the situation that homosexuals face as to what African-Americans faced, so don't jump on me for that. It is similar, but not nearly the same magnitude
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 11, 2010 1:22pm
Half the kids in the school probably have people they're related to in multiple ways, and their concern is a gay couple.
SMH.
SMH.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 11, 2010 1:22pm
I don't think a public school is required to have a prom. If the administrators are not comfortable with any aspect of anything that may go on they should be able to cancel it.cbus4life wrote: ...
Well, yes, but the reason they cancelled is the problem.
I don't think this is a reason I would personally make such a decision but I have no problem with an administration canceling a non-required event for any reason they choose.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Mar 11, 2010 1:23pm
Fair enough, poor choice of words on my part. I guess what i'm saying is that it extremely disheartening that this is still an issue.majorspark wrote:If that is the case why do only 5 states have same sex marriage. Some allow some sort of legal union. The vast majority (31 I believe) outright ban it.cbus4life wrote: Yes. It is discrimination, plain and simple.
I understand majorspark's point, but this case is pretty cut-and-dry. We no longer live in a society where this attitude is acceptable. She was discriminated against based on sexual orientation. That is wrong.
I hope the girl and her parents fight it, take it as far as it needs to go, and demand equal rights in this regard.
But, you're right, unfortunately, the attitude of the school board is still accepted, despite their discriminatory actions.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Mar 11, 2010 1:23pm
I understand you don't have a problem with it, but why would religious expression be any different than sexual expression?cbus4life wrote:Well, that is a little trickier because it is a religious action.majorspark wrote:In your opinion it is outside their authority. In others it is not outside their authority to decide what can be done on school property at a school sponsered event. Let the locals decide.FatHobbit wrote: I agree that the school board is elected to make rules, but I don't think they have any business making rules about who a student can or can't date, or who they can or can't bring to prom. That's outside their authority in my opinion.
It also strange to me that the same people will jump all over a child or parent who wants to say a prayer at a school event such as graduation. Is the student not expressing his or her own personal beliefs?
I admit that i don't have a problem with that at all, but it is a little different, given that their sexual orientation or the action of the girl bringing her partner to the dance is not a "religious" action.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 11, 2010 1:30pm
Isn't a couple with a man and woman a form of sexual expression? Or is that only for when it's a "gay" couple that is expressing themselves? If you are worried about sexual expression, than the school shouldn't have any events where couples can go at all. Singles only.majorspark wrote:I understand you don't have a problem with it, but why would religious expression be any different than sexual expression?cbus4life wrote:Well, that is a little trickier because it is a religious action.majorspark wrote:In your opinion it is outside their authority. In others it is not outside their authority to decide what can be done on school property at a school sponsered event. Let the locals decide.FatHobbit wrote: I agree that the school board is elected to make rules, but I don't think they have any business making rules about who a student can or can't date, or who they can or can't bring to prom. That's outside their authority in my opinion.
It also strange to me that the same people will jump all over a child or parent who wants to say a prayer at a school event such as graduation. Is the student not expressing his or her own personal beliefs?
I admit that i don't have a problem with that at all, but it is a little different, given that their sexual orientation or the action of the girl bringing her partner to the dance is not a "religious" action.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 11, 2010 1:32pm
That may be where this school board is at and why they made their decision.tk421 wrote: [... If you are worried about sexual expression, than the school shouldn't have any events where couples can go at all. Singles only.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Mar 11, 2010 1:34pm
Because of the whole trickiness of the "separation of church and state thing," and how/when it can take place in public schools.majorspark wrote:I understand you don't have a problem with it, but why would religious expression be any different than sexual expression?cbus4life wrote:Well, that is a little trickier because it is a religious action.majorspark wrote:In your opinion it is outside their authority. In others it is not outside their authority to decide what can be done on school property at a school sponsered event. Let the locals decide.FatHobbit wrote: I agree that the school board is elected to make rules, but I don't think they have any business making rules about who a student can or can't date, or who they can or can't bring to prom. That's outside their authority in my opinion.
It also strange to me that the same people will jump all over a child or parent who wants to say a prayer at a school event such as graduation. Is the student not expressing his or her own personal beliefs?
I admit that i don't have a problem with that at all, but it is a little different, given that their sexual orientation or the action of the girl bringing her partner to the dance is not a "religious" action.
Not saying i agree, but i think they are clearly two different issues in the eyes of the law, interpretation of the Constitution, etc.
Both forms of expression should be encouraged as long as it is done in a respectful manner, which i think both the lesbian couple and the students wishing to pray at school events would do.
But, all i'm saying is that, right or wrong, religious expression is different in the public sphere because of various interpretations of the "separation of church and state" mandate. I don't think they are different, but in certain instances like being in a public school, they have to be considered as such.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Mar 11, 2010 1:34pm
Possibly, but doubtful, IMO.Con_Alma wrote:That may be where this school board is at and why they made their decision.tk421 wrote: [... If you are worried about sexual expression, than the school shouldn't have any events where couples can go at all. Singles only.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Mar 11, 2010 1:35pm
Sure it is. And you did not answer the question. The only place I am worried about sexual expression or religious expression is in the school district my children attend. I don't care what anyone else does.tk421 wrote: Isn't a couple with a man and woman a form of sexual expression? Or is that only for when it's a "gay" couple that is expressing themselves? If you are worried about sexual expression, than the school shouldn't have any events where couples can go at all. Singles only.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Mar 11, 2010 1:36pm
Be prepared for the completely unoriginal argument that the Constitution doesn't say that. It does, of course, it just doesn't use those specific words.cbus4life wrote: But, all i'm saying is that, right or wrong, religious expression is different in the public sphere because of various interpretations of the "separation of church and state" mandate.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 11, 2010 1:36pm
I don't think a public school should be in the business of either encouraging or discouraging.
We rely too much on public schools for all forms of education. I'd rather they be a tool that provides the things that can't be received outside of a school.
We rely too much on public schools for all forms of education. I'd rather they be a tool that provides the things that can't be received outside of a school.
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Upper90
Posts: 1,095
Mar 11, 2010 1:37pm
I will say that I find it odd that they even set the rule that the date had to be of the opposite sex.
There were at LEAST 2 or 3 gay couples at my prom, and yes, even one girl coming in a Tux. It was just never a thought.
I mean, they made the rule, as has been stated, so the ground to stand on here is pretty slim...but it's just confusing why the rule needed to be set.
There were at LEAST 2 or 3 gay couples at my prom, and yes, even one girl coming in a Tux. It was just never a thought.
I mean, they made the rule, as has been stated, so the ground to stand on here is pretty slim...but it's just confusing why the rule needed to be set.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 11, 2010 1:37pm
What exactly is being expressed by dancing? They aren't going to strip off their clothes and have an orgy on the dance floor. Do you really think high school students aren't aware that there are gay people in this country?majorspark wrote:Sure it is. And you did not answer the question. The only place I am worried about sexual expression or religious expression is in the school district my children attend. I don't care what anyone else does.tk421 wrote: Isn't a couple with a man and woman a form of sexual expression? Or is that only for when it's a "gay" couple that is expressing themselves? If you are worried about sexual expression, than the school shouldn't have any events where couples can go at all. Singles only.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Mar 11, 2010 1:42pm
To what I understand, my school enforced this "unwritten" rule in 2003. There was a gay man in the senior class that year, and he was, lets say "strongly encouraged" to not bring a male to the dance. I believe they said it was for his safety, etc.Upper90 wrote: I will say that I find it odd that they even set the rule that the date had to be of the opposite sex.
There were at LEAST 2 or 3 gay couples at my prom, and yes, even one girl coming in a Tux. It was just never a thought.
I mean, they made the rule, as has been stated, so the ground to stand on here is pretty slim...but it's just confusing why the rule needed to be set.
I'm not entirely sure if it is true, but that was definitely what I heard.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Mar 11, 2010 1:47pm
The question is why do you care how other communities govern what goes on at their events. Perhaps we should just have one national school system and dispose of this nonsense and inequality once and for all.tk421 wrote: What exactly is being expressed by dancing? They aren't going to strip off their clothes and have an orgy on the dance floor. Do you really think high school students aren't aware that there are gay people in this country?
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 11, 2010 1:53pm
I don't give a rat's ass what any school system does, I'm just wondering what is so offensive about two girls dancing together? Maybe I'm not old enough to understand. The only "logical" thing besides plain homophobia is trying to "shelter" kids from seeing gay couples.majorspark wrote:The question is why do you care how other communities govern what goes on at their events. Perhaps we should just have one national school system and dispose of this nonsence and inequality once and for all.tk421 wrote: What exactly is being expressed by dancing? They aren't going to strip off their clothes and have an orgy on the dance floor. Do you really think high school students aren't aware that there are gay people in this country?
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Foul Tip
Posts: 113
Mar 11, 2010 3:05pm
Are they going to cancel the fastpitch softball season too?
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Gameover
Posts: 150
Mar 11, 2010 3:57pm
A group of friends can't go to the prom together "dateless"?
We had to give our "dates" name when we registered to go and their age. As they did not allow anyone to bring someone over 21, I believe.
We had to give our "dates" name when we registered to go and their age. As they did not allow anyone to bring someone over 21, I believe.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Mar 11, 2010 4:00pm
make her feel even more ostracized. great idea. bigots.
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FairwoodKing
Posts: 2,504
Mar 11, 2010 4:31pm
Two girls dancing together is not the same as forcing prayer down students' throats. There is a huge difference.majorspark wrote:I understand you don't have a problem with it, but why would religious expression be any different than sexual expression?cbus4life wrote:Well, that is a little trickier because it is a religious action.majorspark wrote:In your opinion it is outside their authority. In others it is not outside their authority to decide what can be done on school property at a school sponsered event. Let the locals decide.FatHobbit wrote: I agree that the school board is elected to make rules, but I don't think they have any business making rules about who a student can or can't date, or who they can or can't bring to prom. That's outside their authority in my opinion.
It also strange to me that the same people will jump all over a child or parent who wants to say a prayer at a school event such as graduation. Is the student not expressing his or her own personal beliefs?
I admit that i don't have a problem with that at all, but it is a little different, given that their sexual orientation or the action of the girl bringing her partner to the dance is not a "religious" action.
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WeAreNC
Posts: 192
Mar 11, 2010 4:36pm
I say let to women go together are long as they are hot.. Lipsticks lesbians are hot.. Butch dykes are not.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 11, 2010 4:44pm
What would the school do if two girls just decided to dance together without going to the dance as a couple? Pull them off the dance floor and immediately suspend them?
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WeAreNC
Posts: 192
Mar 11, 2010 4:45pm
Not if they are HOT lol.