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Con_Alma

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Mar 10, 2010 4:09 PM
I think that's the first thing we disagree on thus far.
Mar 10, 2010 11:09am
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SQ_Crazies

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Mar 10, 2010 4:09 PM
I mean this is a totally typical discussion about religion. So many questions go ignored, pointless discussion probably...
Mar 10, 2010 11:09am
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Series62

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Mar 10, 2010 4:11 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote:
Ok...

First of all, you aren't a sinner?

And to the last part of your post, which I bolded, how do you explain this:
I never said that I wasn't a sinner. I said that realizing that I am a sinner, I live my life in an attempt too live free of sin. I know what sin is, and therefore make a concerted effort to deny it in as much as I can.

"God is a God of love, patience, grace, mercy and forgiveness.
But woe unto those who knowingly wrongfully minister His word!"

Do you have children? Do you love your children as most parents do? Did your parents love you immensely?

If so, that is an example of how God loves us!
Even as God is loving, patient, graceful, merciful and forgiving, you should also know that He is a God of judgment, wrath, discipline and punishment!
He will not allow you to escape His judgment and wrath (anger) should you use His word to cause harm to any of His children.

I hope that helps!
Mar 10, 2010 11:11am
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DeyDurkie5

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Mar 10, 2010 4:13 PM
Why do people HAVE to live for a guy? Why can't they just commit their life to doing good to people and not getting caught up in what a book/person tells them to do.
Mar 10, 2010 11:13am
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Con_Alma

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Mar 10, 2010 4:15 PM
They don't have to. You have that choice.
Mar 10, 2010 11:15am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:16 PM
This thread is cracking me up. Why not ask justin to have a "gay only" section on this site?
Mar 10, 2010 11:16am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:17 PM
You said, "To love Christ is to denounce and turn from your sinful way of life in all it's forms."

So if you still sin does that mean you don't love Christ? Or you think he just grants free passes sometimes?

And you ignored the towers. How is God all of those things in that situation? You're telling me all of those people deserved to be punished by death? And what if I said that maybe from a terrorist mindset, they were carrying out his justice on sinners? Because based on what they believe they were, so are they wrong?

And your example of how God loves us is total crap. God doesn't love us because we love our parents and children...
Mar 10, 2010 11:17am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:17 PM
Con_Alma wrote: They don't have to. You have that choice.
Doesn't seem that way with a lot of people
Mar 10, 2010 11:17am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:19 PM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Con_Alma wrote: They don't have to. You have that choice.
Doesn't seem that way with a lot of people
No, see, that's how they avoid looking stupid. They say you have the choice, but if you don't chose their side then you're a sinner or whatever else they want to call you--but it's your choice to be that...
Mar 10, 2010 11:19am
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Series62

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Mar 10, 2010 4:21 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm not saying that what you believe is wrong, I'm saying that you pushing it as all there is is wrong and ignorant.

And are you going to address the picture of the towers?
I have to digest and provide some measure of thought to your comments. I'm not going to just "blurt" out a statement/comment simply for the sake of saying something.

When you speak with most Muslims, they will tell you that the Koran does not teach that type of violence. The experience at the towers were men utilizing their faith to justify their deeds.

Just the same as men in America have used the Christianity and the Bible as a front to some of their un-Christ-like behavior.
Mar 10, 2010 11:21am
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Con_Alma

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Mar 10, 2010 4:22 PM
"...So if you still sin does that mean you don't love Christ? Or you think he just grants free passes sometimes?..."

It doesn't mean you don't love Christ and it doesn't mean you get a free pass. You will "still sin". You can't avoid it. You don't have a choice. We are born into sin. You can only continue to strive towards perfection and ask forgiveness when you fail. You will never reach perfection.


God is all those things in that situation of the Towers because he gave us sinful men the free will to choose our actions, be they good or bad. He gave us the choice to act and believe what we want. Yes those men believe they were carrying out righteous acts and no I don't believe they were correct in those beliefs.

There are multiple types of love.
Mar 10, 2010 11:22am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:23 PM
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DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Con_Alma wrote: They don't have to. You have that choice.
Doesn't seem that way with a lot of people
No, see, that's how they avoid looking stupid. They say you have the choice, but if you don't chose their side then you're a sinner or whatever else they want to call you--but it's your choice to be that...

It's not a choice to be a sinner. We have no choice in that matter. It doesn't mean as sinners we should continue to seek out living without sin.
Mar 10, 2010 11:23am
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Con_Alma

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Mar 10, 2010 4:25 PM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Doesn't seem that way with a lot of people
I don't speak for a lot of people. I can only speak for myself.
Mar 10, 2010 11:25am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:28 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: I mean this is a totally typical discussion about religion. So many questions go ignored, pointless discussion probably...
I agree with you!!!

Person A: asks a question about God and/or pointlessly bashes the idea of God
Person B: tries to answer the questions as best they can and/or points out needless mockery
Person A: starting to amp up the game a little bit, escalating their fervor
Person B: goes further and further into detail with patience
Person A: states that this "is a totally typical pointless discussion about religion"

Yeah, can't argue much with that.
Mar 10, 2010 11:28am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:29 PM
Series62 wrote: When you speak with most Muslims, they will tell you that the Koran does not teach that type of violence. The experience at the towers were men utilizing their faith to justify their deeds.
So what, they carried it out on a religion premise. Who are you to say they were wrong--how do you know they weren't carrying out the word of God?
Con_Alma wrote: You will never reach perfection.
So you have a faith that God will forgive you...but really, Heaven may not exist because no one has ever lived a sin free life?
Con_Alma wrote: It's not a choice to be a sinner. We have no choice in that matter. It doesn't mean as sinners we should continue to seek out living without sin.
If it isn't a choice then how can you strive for "perfection"?
Mar 10, 2010 11:29am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:30 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: You said, "To love Christ is to denounce and turn from your sinful way of life in all it's forms."

So if you still sin does that mean you don't love Christ? Or you think he just grants free passes sometimes?
Your way of life won't change overnight, it is an ongoing process that if sincere, will be obvious to you and to Him.
SQ_Crazies wrote: And your example of how God loves us is total crap. God doesn't love us because we love our parents and children...
You misquoted and/or wrongly comprehended what I said. That was an example of how God loves you. Hopefully you had parents that loved you and if you have children, how you do love them.
Mar 10, 2010 11:30am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:32 PM
Series62 wrote:
SQ_Crazies wrote: And your example of how God loves us is total crap. God doesn't love us because we love our parents and children...
You misquoted and/or wrongly comprehended what I said. That was an example of how God loves you. Hopefully you had parents that loved you and if you have children, how you do love them.
I didn't misinterpret, that just has nothing to do with God.
Mar 10, 2010 11:32am
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Con_Alma

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Mar 10, 2010 4:34 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: ...

So you have a faith that God will forgive you...but really, Heaven may not exist because no one has ever lived a sin free life?

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If it isn't a choice then how can you strive for "perfection"?

Great questions SQ...questions worth seeking out the answer to.

The definition of faith is inclusive of not having seen. Indeed God and Heaven may not exist but those that have faith that it does are not in need of seeing it first. Remember we already agreed that many "religious people" question that faith often.

You can strive for perfection by continuously trying to avoid sinful actions.
Mar 10, 2010 11:34am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:35 PM
Here is a question:

WHAT IF your life here on Earth is Heaven? Not any crazier a thought than it being some sort of afterlife. Are you wasting time trying to get to where you're already at while all of the wonderful things that God has surrounded you with are passing you by? And I'm not saying murdering people, but sins clearly go further than the 10 Commandments.
Mar 10, 2010 11:35am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:36 PM
But if sinning isn't a choice then how do you avoid it?
Mar 10, 2010 11:36am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:36 PM
You can't avoid it. You continuously seek to.
Mar 10, 2010 11:36am
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Con_Alma

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Mar 10, 2010 4:39 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: Here is a question:

WHAT IF your life here on Earth is Heaven? Not any crazier a thought than it being some sort of afterlife. Are you wasting time trying to get to where you're already at while all of the wonderful things that God has surrounded you with are passing you by? And I'm not saying murdering people, but sins clearly go further than the 10 Commandments.
What if indeed.

What if the effort in trying to avoid sin is what heaven is??

All good questions....questions worth seeking the answer to.

I believe Heaven is not a place but rather a spiritual state. It's not a location but a realization and eternal experience of being in the presence of God and His love.
Mar 10, 2010 11:39am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:39 PM
But if it isn't a choice then you can't avoid it, so what are you seeking out that can stop destiny?
Mar 10, 2010 11:39am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:41 PM
Ok, then I believe that Heaven is a bunch of dime chicks coupled with unlimited 40 oz. Budweisers and blunts of the best weed ever created. I mean, if God loves me then that is what Heaven should be right?
Mar 10, 2010 11:41am
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Mar 10, 2010 4:43 PM
SQ_Crazies wrote: But if it isn't a choice then you can't avoid it, so what are you seeking out that can stop destiny?

You are displaying your desire to please your Creator by continuously trying to achieve what can not be achieved.

You are showing that although I am imperfect I will never stop trying to thank Him.

He gave me life. He gave me free will. He gave me the opportunity of eternal Peace.

My efforts of avoiding sin are my thanks.
Mar 10, 2010 11:43am