Manhattan Buckeye wrote: "Then play by the rules here.... the way I do..... and support your claims with a credible source.

People that work at McDonald's don't yank down 10K refund checks. Not in Greentree PA nor Podunk West Virginia."

Why don't you pull up a credible source that they don't? I don't know what happens in Greentree or Podunk, I know what happens with the EITC, from what I understand there is a limit, but it may or may not be mutually exclusive from other credits.

My client recieved over $6,000 back in funds when she never paid any cent of federal income taxes. I saw her tax forms, and I saw her financial figures, it was the crux of the case. The sum wasn't questioned, not then nor now (the question was her employment). There is likely a limit on what any taxpayer can receive back due to the EITC, there is certainly a limit on what they can receive on child tax credits, or at least I'd hope so. It stlll doesn't take back from the point that some folks get back funds from which they didn't pay taxes in the first place. Again, this isn't news, it is common knowledge.

HitsRus wrote: ^^^^even if it's not $10G's...what would be acceptable? $5000? $1000? $500...???


That lefties would embrace Boat Shoes' recitation of the Democrat's paradigm comes as no surprise.
He attempts to defeat the premise that "ALL people deserve to pay the least tax possible" by ridiculously reducing the defense budget to a billion dollars and arguing that if you don't pay high taxes, you'll have low government services and defense. Sorry, but if you just accept the status quo as 'the least taxes possible", then the Democrat's onerous position of proposing a new trillion dollar entitlement program in the context of trillion dollar deficits is exposed for what it is.
Footwedge called it a slap shot from the blue line....that is the truth. That is what a team resorts to when it can't get it in the crease.

Footwedge also said "But be careful, pragmatic views are not viewed with elevated esteem around here...just sayin."
Another truth, ....I must conclude after pondering the pragmatism of raising the capital gains tax to be sure 400 rich people are 'taxed fairly'....as well as millions of other middle class Americans investment accounts. It's important to be pragmatic and truthful.

BoatShoes wrote:
"God. I don't know why I waste so much time on this stupid place trying to persuade people who will never even budge an inch."
I feel the same way myself.

Footwedge wrote:

What is there to gain by lying on an anonymous blog site?

Footwedge wrote:

HitsRus wrote: ^^^^even if it's not $10G's...what would be acceptable? $5000? $1000? $500...???


That lefties would embrace Boat Shoes' recitation of the Democrat's paradigm comes as no surprise.
He attempts to defeat the premise that "ALL people deserve to pay the least tax possible" by ridiculously reducing the defense budget to a billion dollars and arguing that if you don't pay high taxes, you'll have low government services and defense. Sorry, but if you just accept the status quo as 'the least taxes possible", then the Democrat's onerous position of proposing a new trillion dollar entitlement program in the context of trillion dollar deficits is exposed for what it is.
Footwedge called it a slap shot from the blue line....that is the truth. That is what a team resorts to when it can't get it in the crease.

Footwedge also said "But be careful, pragmatic views are not viewed with elevated esteem around here...just sayin."
Another truth, ....I must conclude after pondering the pragmatism of raising the capital gains tax to be sure 400 rich people are 'taxed fairly'....as well as millions of other middle class Americans investment accounts. It's important to be pragmatic and truthful.

BoatShoes wrote:
"God. I don't know why I waste so much time on this stupid place trying to persuade people who will never even budge an inch."
I feel the same way myself.

Is it not pragmatic in thinking from a mathematicaLpoint of view that the tax revenues do not equal government expenditures?

The federal government has grown out of control because Corporate America plus government wanted it that way.

It is the professional businessmen like yourself and the small businessmen like Belly, and LJ, and at one time, myself, that have felt the wrath of inverse fascist idealism, which has hijacked our system.

You want to keep more of your money. So would I. So would everybody. But the monster has enveloped us to a point of no return.

Footwedge wrote: And just for you Manhatten Buckeye...your "birdseye view" of your client receiving 6K in a refund is bullshit. No matter how poor, how uneducated, how lazy, or how many qualifying kids she's popped out.

"The United States federal Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC or EIC) is a refundable tax credit; it is means tested, and designed to encourage low-income workers and offset the burden of U.S. payroll taxes. For tax year 2009, a claimant with one qualifying child can receive a maximum credit of $3,043. A claimant with two qualifying children can receive a maximum credit of $5,028. The credit is expanded for tax year 2009 and 2010. For claimants with three or more qualifying children, the maximum credit is $5,657."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit

What is there to gain by lying on an anonymous blog site?

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: "What is there to gain by lying on an anonymous blog site?"

Well not to impress you, I think you are nuts. I don't have copies of all of her tax forms, I saw the 1040 prepared by Liberty mainly to see what her AGI was since that was a key fact in her housing dispute - I also know they gave her an 'advance' on her refund (another poor choice on her part given the high interest rate). I'm guessimating both her income and credit figures from memory, note I didn't say she got $6,445.23 in credits, I said she got back about $6,500 - the rounding to most sane people is evidence that it is an estimate. Even your wikipedia shows an amount not far from that figure. And that is just the EITC, THERE ARE OTHER TAX CREDITS THAT PEOPLE RECEIVE. Again, I didn't do her taxes. I just saw what was calculated by her preparer and it was about $6,500.

Footwedge wrote: And just for you Manhatten Buckeye...your "birdseye view" of your client receiving 6K in a refund is bullshit. No matter how poor, how uneducated, how lazy, or how many qualifying kids she's popped out.

"The United States federal Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC or EIC) is a refundable tax credit; it is means tested, and designed to encourage low-income workers and offset the burden of U.S. payroll taxes. For tax year 2009, a claimant with one qualifying child can receive a maximum credit of $3,043. A claimant with two qualifying children can receive a maximum credit of $5,028. The credit is expanded for tax year 2009 and 2010. For claimants with three or more qualifying children, the maximum credit is $5,657."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit

What is there to gain by lying on an anonymous blog site?

Footwedge wrote:

ManO'War wrote: How about the first thing we do is stop giving "Income Tax Refunds" to people who barely pay any income tax, or none at all.

I've witnessed people cashing income tax refunds this year of $8,000 to $10,000, and they work at places like McDonalds.

You should never get back more than you put in.

People that live in Pittsburgh sure love to exxagerate. A 10K refund check from a McDonald's employee?

That's a joke and you know it. If you post that sort of wacko shit, you should be forced to link a proof source. Now I know a little about the EITC from reading about it. But really, this one here is quite a whopper.

I think you were the guy I argued with on the other huddle. Someone was complaining about the welfare queens bringing in their blackberries to your bank with fancy hair dos and manicured nails, while cashing in their $800 dollar welfare checks.

It's all bullshit. My son's in his senior year at College and has worked at Giant Eagle during seasonal breaks as a check out line cashier. In 2 years, he has never seen as much as one food stamp customer with pretty clothes or a fancy cell phone.

Not even one time.

BCSbunk wrote:

Footwedge wrote:

ManO'War wrote: How about the first thing we do is stop giving "Income Tax Refunds" to people who barely pay any income tax, or none at all.

I've witnessed people cashing income tax refunds this year of $8,000 to $10,000, and they work at places like McDonalds.

You should never get back more than you put in.

People that live in Pittsburgh sure love to exxagerate. A 10K refund check from a McDonald's employee?

That's a joke and you know it. If you post that sort of wacko shit, you should be forced to link a proof source. Now I know a little about the EITC from reading about it. But really, this one here is quite a whopper.

I think you were the guy I argued with on the other huddle. Someone was complaining about the welfare queens bringing in their blackberries to your bank with fancy hair dos and manicured nails, while cashing in their $800 dollar welfare checks.

It's all bullshit. My son's in his senior year at College and has worked at Giant Eagle during seasonal breaks as a check out line cashier. In 2 years, he has never seen as much as one food stamp customer with pretty clothes or a fancy cell phone.

Not even one time.

Well lets do the math when someone says a McDonald's employee does that mean they work at on of the restaurants or a corporate branch? Mcdonalds does have high paying positions, however Man O War did not mention what position that person actually holds. Is it a computer programmer for the resturants Etc?

If it is a burger flipper we can do some math There is no way that person makes more than $10 an hour and I doubt highly that much in PA.

So if it is a burger flipper they must have marked on their w-4 (where it asked if you would like extra money taken out.) Practically all their paycheck.

It is feasible in this situation. The person working at McDonald's has a spouse that makes good money. ( enough to maintain their household) then the MCd's worker fills out the w-4 with most of the money going to taxes so they recieved basically no check every week they work.

It is a way to save money for a vacation every year for the undisciplined or the very stupid, but it is feasible in a very rare occurance.

ManO'War wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

Footwedge wrote:

ManO'War wrote: How about the first thing we do is stop giving "Income Tax Refunds" to people who barely pay any income tax, or none at all.

I've witnessed people cashing income tax refunds this year of $8,000 to $10,000, and they work at places like McDonalds.

You should never get back more than you put in.

People that live in Pittsburgh sure love to exxagerate. A 10K refund check from a McDonald's employee?

That's a joke and you know it. If you post that sort of wacko shit, you should be forced to link a proof source. Now I know a little about the EITC from reading about it. But really, this one here is quite a whopper.

I think you were the guy I argued with on the other huddle. Someone was complaining about the welfare queens bringing in their blackberries to your bank with fancy hair dos and manicured nails, while cashing in their $800 dollar welfare checks.

It's all bullshit. My son's in his senior year at College and has worked at Giant Eagle during seasonal breaks as a check out line cashier. In 2 years, he has never seen as much as one food stamp customer with pretty clothes or a fancy cell phone.

Not even one time.

Well lets do the math when someone says a McDonald's employee does that mean they work at on of the restaurants or a corporate branch? Mcdonalds does have high paying positions, however Man O War did not mention what position that person actually holds. Is it a computer programmer for the resturants Etc?

If it is a burger flipper we can do some math There is no way that person makes more than $10 an hour and I doubt highly that much in PA.

So if it is a burger flipper they must have marked on their w-4 (where it asked if you would like extra money taken out.) Practically all their paycheck.

It is feasible in this situation. The person working at McDonald's has a spouse that makes good money. ( enough to maintain their household) then the MCd's worker fills out the w-4 with most of the money going to taxes so they recieved basically no check every week they work.

It is a way to save money for a vacation every year for the undisciplined or the very stupid, but it is feasible in a very rare occurance.

I don't think you are getting it. You don't have to put that much in to get that much back...that's the whole point of this debate. She probably put in a few hundred dollars in federal taxes for the year, but is getting back 10 grand.

ManO'War wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:

Footwedge wrote:

ManO'War wrote: How about the first thing we do is stop giving "Income Tax Refunds" to people who barely pay any income tax, or none at all.

I've witnessed people cashing income tax refunds this year of $8,000 to $10,000, and they work at places like McDonalds.

You should never get back more than you put in.

People that live in Pittsburgh sure love to exxagerate. A 10K refund check from a McDonald's employee?

That's a joke and you know it. If you post that sort of wacko shit, you should be forced to link a proof source. Now I know a little about the EITC from reading about it. But really, this one here is quite a whopper.

I think you were the guy I argued with on the other huddle. Someone was complaining about the welfare queens bringing in their blackberries to your bank with fancy hair dos and manicured nails, while cashing in their $800 dollar welfare checks.

It's all bullshit. My son's in his senior year at College and has worked at Giant Eagle during seasonal breaks as a check out line cashier. In 2 years, he has never seen as much as one food stamp customer with pretty clothes or a fancy cell phone.

Not even one time.

Well lets do the math when someone says a McDonald's employee does that mean they work at on of the restaurants or a corporate branch? Mcdonalds does have high paying positions, however Man O War did not mention what position that person actually holds. Is it a computer programmer for the resturants Etc?

If it is a burger flipper we can do some math There is no way that person makes more than $10 an hour and I doubt highly that much in PA.

So if it is a burger flipper they must have marked on their w-4 (where it asked if you would like extra money taken out.) Practically all their paycheck.

It is feasible in this situation. The person working at McDonald's has a spouse that makes good money. ( enough to maintain their household) then the MCd's worker fills out the w-4 with most of the money going to taxes so they recieved basically no check every week they work.

It is a way to save money for a vacation every year for the undisciplined or the very stupid, but it is feasible in a very rare occurance.

I don't think you are getting it. You don't have to put that much in to get that much back...that's the whole point of this debate. She probably put in a few hundred dollars in federal taxes for the year, but is getting back 10 grand.

ManO'War wrote: I am still waiting for PMs from the doubters, but as usual, when it is put up or shut up, the crickets come out.

cbus4life wrote: Fair enough.

I'm not going to pretend to know much about the tax code...all i know is that i won't be getting $10,000 back.

Thanks for the info, lots to ponder, that is for sure.