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Nate
Posts: 3,949
Feb 24, 2010 10:34am
Your credibility just went down the shitter by using a blogger to back your reasoning. Maybe ESPN should hire him and replace Bill Simmons.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Feb 24, 2010 2:10pm
How in the hell can you say Jamison isn't the same player he used to be when he his averages are basically identical right now to his career averages. For a guy thats play this long, his overall production isn't dropping off drastically like some of the other guys.
3reppom
Posts: 765
Feb 24, 2010 4:21pm
The logic that the Cavs some how lose some intangible ideal by adding a player who can create his own shot in the low post is flawed to put it mildly. Yeah the Cavs have productive 4's in Hickson and Andy, but neither of those guys can do much beyond flash to the lane and finish at the cup. I really don't see the problem with adding another guy who can create his own shot and can be effective out to the 3 point line.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Feb 24, 2010 4:25pm
I love the deal, but the one problem with it is that they may be too deep. Mike Brown is really going to earn his money trying to juggle around his rotation.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Feb 24, 2010 4:38pm
The rotation will become set when Z returns. The bench guys outside of Z/AV/West/Moon will only see situational, foul trouble, or injury minutes imo.
Z will have his minutes reduced but may get extra time if Shaq gets into foul trouble. Shaq will have his minutes bumped up. AV will see a slight reduction in minutes.
Z will have his minutes reduced but may get extra time if Shaq gets into foul trouble. Shaq will have his minutes bumped up. AV will see a slight reduction in minutes.
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Feb 24, 2010 5:52pm
I wasnt to happy not seeing Gibson or Hickson even touch the floor last night. We are a very deep team and they played 8 guys last night, there is no reason for Hickson to not be playing.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Feb 24, 2010 5:56pm
He was sick yesterday.Tigerfan00 wrote: I wasnt to happy not seeing Gibson or Hickson even touch the floor last night. We are a very deep team and they played 8 guys last night, there is no reason for Hickson to not be playing.
Gibson wasn't in the rotation when all the guards were healthy, he is simply a spot up shooter.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Feb 24, 2010 5:59pm
Yeah.....Hickson had "gastric" problems according to Greg Brinda.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Feb 24, 2010 6:04pm
In good news, Z is close to being bought out today. Just a signature away.
He'll be able to return to Cleveland 30 days after the trade was finalized.
He'll be able to return to Cleveland 30 days after the trade was finalized.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 24, 2010 6:10pm
I don't care about my credibility. I just voice my opinion...just like this other blogger did.Keebler wrote: Your credibility just went down the shitter by using a blogger to back your reasoning. Maybe ESPN should hire him and replace Bill Simmons.
Do you agree with everythins Bill Simmons says.? How about Bill Walton? Or Charles Barkley?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 24, 2010 6:13pm
You should probably update your Signature.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 24, 2010 6:14pm
Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.3reppom wrote: The logic that the Cavs some how lose some intangible ideal by adding a player who can create his own shot in the low post is flawed to put it mildly. Yeah the Cavs have productive 4's in Hickson and Andy, but neither of those guys can do much beyond flash to the lane and finish at the cup. I really don't see the problem with adding another guy who can create his own shot and can be effective out to the 3 point line.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 24, 2010 6:16pm
Enlighten me. Who are the better 4's Cleveland has?Footwedge wrote:Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.3reppom wrote: The logic that the Cavs some how lose some intangible ideal by adding a player who can create his own shot in the low post is flawed to put it mildly. Yeah the Cavs have productive 4's in Hickson and Andy, but neither of those guys can do much beyond flash to the lane and finish at the cup. I really don't see the problem with adding another guy who can create his own shot and can be effective out to the 3 point line.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 24, 2010 6:17pm
Why? The signature was accurate at the time I wrote it...and I will keep it until I see some real reason to change it.HighRoller74 wrote: You should probably update your Signature.
hangonsloopy
Posts: 1,291
Feb 24, 2010 6:19pm
Like the fact that they aren't 0-3 anymore?Footwedge wrote:Why? The signature was accurate at the time I wrote it...and I will keep it until I see some real reason to change it.HighRoller74 wrote: You should probably update your Signature.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 24, 2010 6:19pm
fixedFootwedge wrote:
IN MY OPINION...
Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 24, 2010 6:19pm
So the fact that the Cavs are now 1-2 with Jamison in the Lineup doesn't give you a reason to change it?Footwedge wrote:Why? The signature was accurate at the time I wrote it...and I will keep it until I see some real reason to change it.HighRoller74 wrote: You should probably update your Signature.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Feb 24, 2010 6:19pm
Who is Zadrunis?
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 24, 2010 6:20pm
I'm not gonna waste time repeating my research. Use your google button and look up the numbers yourself. Jamison shoots 35% from 18-21 feet and less than 35% from behind the arc. And from what I've seen, post up players eat his lunch on the low block.HighRoller74 wrote:Enlighten me. Who are the better 4's Cleveland has?Footwedge wrote:Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.3reppom wrote: The logic that the Cavs some how lose some intangible ideal by adding a player who can create his own shot in the low post is flawed to put it mildly. Yeah the Cavs have productive 4's in Hickson and Andy, but neither of those guys can do much beyond flash to the lane and finish at the cup. I really don't see the problem with adding another guy who can create his own shot and can be effective out to the 3 point line.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 24, 2010 6:21pm
Again, are you saying the JJ, AV, and Powe are better All-Around players than Jamison?Footwedge wrote:I'm not gonna waste time repeating my research. Use your google button and look up the numbers yourself. Jamison shoots 35% from 18-21 feet and less than 35% from behind the arc. And from what I've seen, post up players eat his lunch on the low block.HighRoller74 wrote:Enlighten me. Who are the better 4's Cleveland has?Footwedge wrote:Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.3reppom wrote: The logic that the Cavs some how lose some intangible ideal by adding a player who can create his own shot in the low post is flawed to put it mildly. Yeah the Cavs have productive 4's in Hickson and Andy, but neither of those guys can do much beyond flash to the lane and finish at the cup. I really don't see the problem with adding another guy who can create his own shot and can be effective out to the 3 point line.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 24, 2010 6:22pm
That he's a mediocre outside shooter...not an opinion...but a fact.ytownfootball wrote:fixedFootwedge wrote:
IN MY OPINION...
Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 24, 2010 6:24pm
Right... because doubling up on him in Washington as he's been may have dropped it some, where as getting open looks in Cleveland might actually boost it...Footwedge wrote:That he's a mediocre outside shooter...not an opinion...but a fact.ytownfootball wrote:fixedFootwedge wrote:
IN MY OPINION...
Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
Sorry chief, that = opinion.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 24, 2010 6:25pm
AV is a better player than Jamison...and it's a shame that he's losing minutes because of him.HighRoller74 wrote:Again, are you saying the JJ, AV, and Powe are better All-Around players than Jamison?Footwedge wrote:I'm not gonna waste time repeating my research. Use your google button and look up the numbers yourself. Jamison shoots 35% from 18-21 feet and less than 35% from behind the arc. And from what I've seen, post up players eat his lunch on the low block.HighRoller74 wrote:Enlighten me. Who are the better 4's Cleveland has?Footwedge wrote:Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.3reppom wrote: The logic that the Cavs some how lose some intangible ideal by adding a player who can create his own shot in the low post is flawed to put it mildly. Yeah the Cavs have productive 4's in Hickson and Andy, but neither of those guys can do much beyond flash to the lane and finish at the cup. I really don't see the problem with adding another guy who can create his own shot and can be effective out to the 3 point line.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
Much better defensively, better rebounder, better shooter from the field ...and so on. Verejaou shoots 55% compared to Jamison's 44%. Jamison shoots ft at 70% vs V's 66%. that's his only edge.
Use your google button.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 24, 2010 6:28pm
Have you watched the first 3 games? Hmmm? I've never seen so many airballs from one player...and without a hand in his face. The man is a liability on the court. After a month or so, you will come to the same conclusion.ytownfootball wrote:Right... because doubling up on him in Washington as he's been may have dropped it some, where as getting open looks in Cleveland might actually boost it...Footwedge wrote:That he's a mediocre outside shooter...not an opinion...but a fact.ytownfootball wrote:fixedFootwedge wrote:
IN MY OPINION...
Jamison does not create his own shot. Secondly, he is a mediocre outside shooter. And thirdly, he is taking away minutes from people that are better all around players.
He is also 33 years old with diminishing skills and is top heavy in price tag department. The trade will only be successful if ......
A. They limit Jamison's minutes, and
B. They somehow get Zadrunis back.
Sorry chief, that = opinion.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 24, 2010 6:37pm
Yeah I've watched. I've seen a guy that played like he just rolled into town. Shocking, I know. :rolleyes:
AV better shooter than Jamison? Not so sure I agree with that. Andy shoots the paint, and the paint nearly exclusively.
Just not sure why you're so dead set on this being a bad deal when he's played THREE games. You've stated your opinion, that's fine, quit trying to convince me chief, I won't decide 'till all the pieces have been brought together and worked together for what I deem a sufficient amount of time.
AV better shooter than Jamison? Not so sure I agree with that. Andy shoots the paint, and the paint nearly exclusively.
Just not sure why you're so dead set on this being a bad deal when he's played THREE games. You've stated your opinion, that's fine, quit trying to convince me chief, I won't decide 'till all the pieces have been brought together and worked together for what I deem a sufficient amount of time.