QuakerOats wrote: arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.

oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.

This is exactly what is ocurring; incredible that you don't see it.

And exactly how would the healthcare legislation lead to any of this?

It doesn't lead to it --- it is IT.

I noticed that Obama's proposed legislation would still require Americans to have health insurance. I can't wait for all those lawsuits from the states if that passes.

Obama doubles down on failed proposal:

http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=171326

and you guys are doubling down on starving the beast...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?hp

see how easy it is to post one sided crap?

A good percentage of liberals don't even like what's being proposed (for various reasons), so I don't see how this is a winning strategy for Obama.

Even if it passes, the only one who gets to claim any kind of victory is HIM. Of course, it's all about the ego where this guy is concerned, so that shouldn't be surprising.

QuakerOats wrote: arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.

oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.

This is exactly what is ocurring; incredible that you don't see it.

Wow, how do you keep from sweating while you're wearing that tin hat?

I have reached the point now that anytime I see someone use the terms "socialist, Marxist, or Maoist", I pretty much disregard everything else that is said, because all I'm going to get is Republican talking points. If I want to listen to that, I'll tune into Limbaugh or Hannity.

derek bomar wrote: http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F5F25DC5-18FE-70B2-A8617C0756F24121

no public option...

and the whole socialism marxism thing is more played out than Madonnas vagina so I'm not even going to bother...

as for crew...I don't agree with what you said because you're statement claimed that doing nothing was the best thing that could happen right now...that makes the assumption that there isn't an option out there that would result in some kind of net benefit to the American people, which is basically bs.

There is an option that would be better for the American people, an entirely different Congress; which is why I am voting against every incumbant I possibly can. I never said it is the best thing possible, I said it is the best thing possible right now, meaning with what we have making decisions. But we can agree to disagree.

Writerbuckeye wrote: A good percentage of liberals don't even like what's being proposed (for various reasons), so I don't see how this is a winning strategy for Obama.

Even if it passes, the only one who gets to claim any kind of victory is HIM. Of course, it's all about the ego where this guy is concerned, so that shouldn't be surprising.

I agree with this. It is a very unpopular bill, yet Mr. Obama continues to try to ram it through.

Some fun little snippets from 2005. Oh, how times change, huh?

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-dems-in-2005-51-vote-nuclear-option-is-arrogant-power-grab-against-the-founders-intent/

fish82 wrote: Some fun little snippets from 2005. Oh, how times change, huh?

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-dems-in-2005-51-vote-nuclear-option-is-arrogant-power-grab-against-the-founders-intent/

My goodness, more of that .......................................... change we can believe in .........

^^^

Same way Republicans act...

Reconciliation is great when you can use it..but when it's the other party...it's wrong and should be done away with.

And don't act like Republicans aren't acting this way now...because they are

Gibby, you're caught with your pants down and can only respond with this??? LMAO!!!!!!!

You dems set the pace, so we're just following. The majority party in the house & senate as well as the WH, and you still can't get it passed. Some leadership that is. ROTFLMAO!!!!

We'll get it done...don't worry

gibby08 wrote: ^^^

Same way Republicans act...

Reconciliation is great when you can use it..but when it's the other party...it's wrong and should be done away with.

And don't act like Republicans aren't acting this way now...because they are

Try and find me a video montage like this of current and similar GOP statements. I guarantee you won't find anything on this level.

The PEOPLE don't want Obamacare

"Twenty-five percent of people questioned in the poll say Congress should pass legislation similar to the bills passed by both chambers, with 48 percent saying lawmakers should work on an entirely new bill and a quarter saying Congress should stop all work on health care reform."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/24/cnn-poll-health-care-provisions-popular-but-overall-bills-unpopular/?fbid=QoZNciXLxoz

Ok, so 25% want a crappy bill, 50% would like a new, less crappy bill, and the other 25% are idiots.

Government FORCE under Obamacare:

"Most Americans would be required to carry health insurance and prove it to the IRS."

and

"The president wouldn't require employers to provide coverage, but his plan hits them with a stiff fine if even just one of their workers winds up getting federally subsidized benefits. And Obama significantly increased the fines in the Senate-passed bill that he took as the model for the proposal he's bringing to the summit.

Under the Senate plan, a company with 100 workers that fails to provide coverage would have to pay a fine of $75,000. Under Obama's plan, it would be $140,000 — nearly twice as much.

"This is going to be very confusing for employers," said Kathryn Bakich, a benefits expert at The Segal Company consulting firm. "You will not know what your employees are doing for their health care coverage, and you won't know what to expect until you get the bill from the government."


Gee, what a great way to encourage investment, and hiring.

Change we can believe in ..................

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100225/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_summit_viewers_guide;_ylt=AqejDm7P9yESnNukQJBYEWRp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTNhaGZzbTM4BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMjI1L3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX3N1bW1pdF92aWV3ZXJzX2d1aWRlBHBvcwMxMARzZWMDeW5fcGFnaW5hdGVfc3VtbWFyeV9saXN0BHNsawNib3R0b21saW5lYXQ-

The tyranny continues:

"After a brief period of consultation following the White House health reform summit, congressional Democrats plan to begin making the case next week for a massive, Democrats-only health care plan, party strategists told POLITICO."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33510.html

Change we can believe in .......................

Do you complain about having to carry drivers insurance?

^^Nice try- minimum drivers insurance is to pay for someone else's vehicle if you get in an accident.

Obama's plan would be the automotive equivalent of requiring someone to carry full coverage on his/her vehicle.

gibby08 wrote: ^^^

Same way Republicans act...

Reconciliation is great when you can use it..but when it's the other party...it's wrong and should be done away with.

And don't act like Republicans aren't acting this way now...because they are

Budget reconciliation measures have been used for BUDGET-related bills, like tax cuts, etc. They have never been used for back-room, unpopular bills that a majority of Americans are opposed to.

Dictator Obama


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/02/25/obama_at_health_care_summit_i_dont_count_my_time_because_im_the_president.html

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0210/Republicans_watching_the_clock.html?showall

Change we can believe in ................

QuakerOats wrote: Dictator Obama


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/02/25/obama_at_health_care_summit_i_dont_count_my_time_because_im_the_president.html

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0210/Republicans_watching_the_clock.html?showall

Change we can believe in ................

Really Dictator? Really? Come on......
Don't just throw buzz words around like tyrant and dictator. You are no better than crazy lefties with Bush.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
Really Dictator? Really? Come on......
Don't just throw buzz words around like tyrant and dictator. You are no better than crazy lefties with Bush.

The buzz words are not just thrown around ............... they have been earned.