ManO'War
Posts: 1,420
Feb 18, 2010 5:56pm
Pretty hard to round up 6 million people without some inside help. Not all of those 6 million came to the US though. A lot went to South America and Central America.coyotes22 wrote:Are you saying there were black people in Africa, selling their own people?ManO'War wrote: So should a black person feel guilty if they learned that their ancestors were involved in the triangular trade from the African side??
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 18, 2010 5:57pm
No guilt and no shame. I will not judge an 18th century man ...including my and or anyone else's ancestors...by 21st century standards...and then hold their progeny accountable.
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Gardens35
Posts: 4,929
Feb 18, 2010 5:59pm
No.
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Society
Posts: 1,146
Feb 18, 2010 6:08pm
In this class, do they also teach you how black people owned slaves of the same color?
coyotes22
Posts: 11,298
Feb 18, 2010 6:09pm
You're just teasin!!! Black people did not own black slaves!!! :rolleyes:Society wrote: In this class, do they also teach you how black people owned slaves of the same color?
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Feb 18, 2010 6:18pm
Nope. I don't even know or care about who my ancestors were.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Feb 18, 2010 6:28pm
That's weird.tk421 wrote: Nope. I don't even know or care about who my ancestors were.
UA5straightin2008
Posts: 3,246
Feb 18, 2010 6:30pm
yes, Africans did sell other Africans..i believe the movie said it was usually Kings/Leaders, etccoyotes22 wrote:Are you saying there were black people in Africa, selling their own people?ManO'War wrote: So should a black person feel guilty if they learned that their ancestors were involved in the triangular trade from the African side??
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Feb 18, 2010 6:33pm
Why? Not everyone cares about genealogy. What difference does it make to me who my ancestors were?iclfan2 wrote:That's weird.tk421 wrote: Nope. I don't even know or care about who my ancestors were.
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Sonofanump
Feb 18, 2010 6:35pm
I was thinking close to this, that the only way I would feel guilty is if I lived on a southern plantation.Apple wrote: Probably the only way I would feel guilty is if my family has "old money" that can be directly traced to slavery.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Feb 18, 2010 6:57pm
Do you feel guilty about living on land taken from native Americans?Sonofanump wrote:I was thinking close to this, that the only way I would feel guilty is if I lived on a southern plantation.Apple wrote: Probably the only way I would feel guilty is if my family has "old money" that can be directly traced to slavery.
I have no control over what some distant relative may or may not have done 150 years ago. So I do not feel guilty.
As for the slavery issue many of our ancestors shed alot of blood over the issue. The Civil War took the lives of just under 2% of the population of the US at the time. That would equate to around 5.7 million dead using todays US population. I would say it had quite an impact on most of our ancestors.
UA5straightin2008
Posts: 3,246
Feb 18, 2010 7:13pm
good point there, i may bring that up in class as a way of defending my opinionmajorspark wrote:
Do you feel guilty about living on land taken from native Americans?
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Upper90
Posts: 1,095
Feb 18, 2010 7:15pm
Majorspark, good post.
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Timber
Posts: 935
Feb 18, 2010 7:53pm
No... not guilty. Uncomfortable... definitely. I have been to Charleson, SC... and I have seen buildings that held slaves, and I have been to the straw market where slaves were sold at one time. Any self respecting person can not help but feel something...
I remember sitting with a buddy on a bench in Savannah, GA (while the women were powershopping) and we talked about the slavery issue a little. Simply agreeing that it was hard to believe there was a time... that slavery was acceptable. I do understand that it was relevant culturally at that time... and not against the law. Just sad.
I remember sitting with a buddy on a bench in Savannah, GA (while the women were powershopping) and we talked about the slavery issue a little. Simply agreeing that it was hard to believe there was a time... that slavery was acceptable. I do understand that it was relevant culturally at that time... and not against the law. Just sad.
Bio-Hazzzzard
Posts: 1,027
Feb 18, 2010 8:05pm
+1Upper90 wrote: Majorspark, good post.
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Society
Posts: 1,146
Feb 18, 2010 8:18pm
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dancinbear
Posts: 236
Feb 18, 2010 9:15pm
absolutely not. can't change it, it is what it is. without that history we wouldn't be where we are today. do we have more work to do as a nation? yes. but still, our scars are proof of reality and growth.
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Feb 18, 2010 9:26pm
That is kind of how I feel.HitsRus wrote: No guilt and no shame. I will not judge an 18th century man ...including my and or anyone else's ancestors...by 21st century standards...and then hold their progeny accountable.
Also, the Native American Post was a Good Point.
Playing Devil's Advocate here. If you are of German Decent; would you feel guilty if your ancestors were Nazi Officers during the Holocaust? Being this was only 50-60 years ago, "intelligence" was more advanced.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Feb 18, 2010 9:26pm
Well, well, well, well.....................I'm clearing my throat and now typing that I like a post from Society!Society wrote: In this class, do they also teach you how black people owned slaves of the same color?
I guess that (on this thread) only you and I know that your statement is true.
Research it. And you'll find.....................FACT.
Fortunately for me, I have no guilt, because all my ancestors were simple Ohio farmers.
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UANyg
Posts: 265
Feb 18, 2010 9:39pm
proud - no. ashamed - a little. guilty - no.
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Sonofanump
Feb 18, 2010 11:36pm
Not really, I figure it is my wife's (Cherokee decendant) land and what is her's is mine. Plus, natives to this land did not really believe in land ownership. It was more communal.majorspark wrote:Do you feel guilty about living on land taken from native Americans?Sonofanump wrote:I was thinking close to this, that the only way I would feel guilty is if I lived on a southern plantation.Apple wrote: Probably the only way I would feel guilty is if my family has "old money" that can be directly traced to slavery.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Feb 18, 2010 11:45pm
1) I would feel 0 sentiment for what my ancestors did to some other dudes ancestors. Shit happens and this time I didn't take the squat.UA5straightin2008 wrote: We are supposed to discuss the movie next class, and I feel as if I will come off as "racist" if I bring up how I truly feel.
2) If someone accuses you of racism, say you do not believe that any race is superior to others so therefore you are not a racist. Then go on to say that the fact that if you, as a white male, are critical of the black population are called a racist then that is really discrimination against you. Freedom of speech doesn't stop because the asshole is black because there are just as many black assholes as there are white assholes.
UA5straightin2008
Posts: 3,246
Feb 18, 2010 11:49pm
^^true that, good advicepnhasbeen wrote:1) I would feel 0 sentiment for what my ancestors did to some other dudes ancestors. Shit happens and this time I didn't take the squat.UA5straightin2008 wrote: We are supposed to discuss the movie next class, and I feel as if I will come off as "racist" if I bring up how I truly feel.
2) If someone accuses you of racism, say you do not believe that any race is superior to others so therefore you are not a racist. Then go on to say that the fact that if you, as a white male, are critical of the black population are called a racist then that is really discrimination against you. Freedom of speech doesn't stop because the asshole is black because there are just as many black assholes as there are white assholes.
Strapping Young Lad
Posts: 2,453
Feb 18, 2010 11:52pm
You need to go to a different school if that's the case....UA5straightin2008 wrote: We are supposed to discuss the movie next class, and I feel as if I will come off as "racist" if I bring up how I truly feel.
UA5straightin2008
Posts: 3,246
Feb 18, 2010 11:56pm
disagree with that...its one class for one semester...black teacher who obviously feels strongly on the subject..im not sayin she will think im racist, im just afraid that she might...im not too worried about what the other students think, out of the 18 in the class only 2 are black and they didnt really seem to think much of it today in class while watching the movie...Strapping Young Lad wrote:You need to go to a different school if that's the case....UA5straightin2008 wrote: We are supposed to discuss the movie next class, and I feel as if I will come off as "racist" if I bring up how I truly feel.