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Feb 18, 2010 2:13 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4923777

Will be sending Kenny Thomas, Martin, Sergio Rodriguez, and Hilton Armstrong for T-Mac, Carl Landry, and Joey Dorsey.

Kings may end up buying out T-Mac.

On a personal note happy to see Kevin go to a playoff team.

On a Cavs note, what would you guys feel about the Cavs maybe trying for T-Mac once he's bought out?
Feb 18, 2010 2:13am
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Feb 18, 2010 2:18 AM
No to T-Mac, but I'm glad he's not going to NY :)

Not that I think LeBron is leaving (I don't) but that has to hurt the feelings of many New Yorkers..


Just saw on ESPN that T-Mac could still go to NY as this could be a 3 team deal.. Not for sure yet though.
Feb 18, 2010 2:18am
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Feb 18, 2010 2:37 AM
And...of course..
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If T-Mac gets buy out with Kings, he privately hopes to sign with Lakers or Cavaliers for the playoffs, source close to him tells Y!

No evidence Lakers would have interest, but Danny Ferry kept an eye on T-Mac this season. That said, unclear if either team would want him
Feb 18, 2010 2:37am
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Feb 18, 2010 3:56 AM
Keeps the Knicks from getting his expiring contract. Hope this isnt the SG were wanting. Not sure why the Rockets didnt want the Bulls deal.
Feb 18, 2010 3:56am
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Feb 18, 2010 9:07 AM
I can't believe the Rockets gave up Carl Landry. I like Kevin Martin and all, but the Rockets really don't have any true big guys left. Luis Scola?
Feb 18, 2010 9:07am
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Feb 18, 2010 9:38 AM
Rockets are a wash for this year and many fans knew this at the beginning of the season when Yao and TMac were not in the lineup.

Aaron Brooks and Trevor Arizza are not all star calibur players....This move brings the Rockets under the luxury tax level and frees up some more money for free agency....This is definitely a move for next year in hopes that Yao gets healthy.
Feb 18, 2010 9:38am
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Feb 18, 2010 9:48 AM
If this deal does indeed happen, McGrady will end up with the New York Knicks if this becomes a 3 team deal.

Jared Jeffries would also be included in the deal, leading many people to believe that this deal is being made from New York's point to make room so they can make a heavy run at LeBron this summer.
Feb 18, 2010 9:48am
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Feb 18, 2010 10:03 AM
Eric Taylor wrote: If this deal does indeed happen, McGrady will end up with the New York Knicks if this becomes a 3 team deal.

Jared Jeffries would also be included in the deal, leading many people to believe that this deal is being made from New York's point to make room so they can make a heavy run at LeBron this summer.
They could throw in their whole roster and it would still be obvious that they are trying to get LeBron and another max.
Feb 18, 2010 10:03am
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Feb 18, 2010 10:13 AM
Deal is far from done at this point in time, but looks like a bad trade for the Rockets. I like Martin but they are giving up a lot.
Feb 18, 2010 10:13am
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Feb 18, 2010 10:18 AM
Well I mean the Cavs could use some help at SG and if T-Mac can be had for cheap and can accept his role on the team then I have no problems taking a flyer on him.
Feb 18, 2010 10:18am
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Feb 18, 2010 10:22 AM
McGrady is going to end up in New York.
Feb 18, 2010 10:22am
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Feb 18, 2010 12:09 PM
georgemc80 wrote: Aaron Brooks and Trevor Arizza are not all star calibur players....This move brings the Rockets under the luxury tax level and frees up some more money for free agency....This is definitely a move for next year in hopes that Yao gets healthy.
When you don't even know how to spell Ariza's last name, I seriously doubt how much you have watched him play, nor know how good he is. Both he and Aaron Brooks are very good players, and both have emerged big time this year. At the outset of the season when Tmac and Yao were both hurt people were saying that the Rockets were a lottery team. Well... the Rockets are in the thick of the playoff race.
Feb 18, 2010 12:09pm
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Feb 18, 2010 12:21 PM
Ariza isn't that good at all. The only reason he's put up numbers is because of the minutes he gets. You tend to get more minutes when your backup guards are Jermaine Taylor and Garrett Temple. And you tend to take more shots when you have defensive players like Chuck Hayes and Shane Battier in the starting line up. He's only shooting 38%. Nothing more than a role player on a legit team.

Brooks has been very good this year though.
Feb 18, 2010 12:21pm
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Feb 18, 2010 2:40 PM
Kevin Martin is/was a steal at his salary.
Feb 18, 2010 2:40pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:00 PM
Mulva wrote: Ariza isn't that good at all. The only reason he's put up numbers is because of the minutes he gets. You tend to get more minutes when your backup guards are Jermaine Taylor and Garrett Temple. And you tend to take more shots when you have defensive players like Chuck Hayes and Shane Battier in the starting line up. He's only shooting 38%. Nothing more than a role player on a legit team.
That might be true if he was like Gerald Wallace and was garbage in the past, turns up on a bad team and becomes their scorer, and then becomes vastly overrated.

But Ariza had a great year with the Lakers last year, especially in the playoffs. There is more to the game than what your shot percentage is. He can score and he plays great defense, and he is only going to get better
Feb 18, 2010 3:00pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:12 PM
jordo212000 wrote:
Mulva wrote: Ariza isn't that good at all. The only reason he's put up numbers is because of the minutes he gets. You tend to get more minutes when your backup guards are Jermaine Taylor and Garrett Temple. And you tend to take more shots when you have defensive players like Chuck Hayes and Shane Battier in the starting line up. He's only shooting 38%. Nothing more than a role player on a legit team.
That might be true if he was like Gerald Wallace and was garbage in the past, turns up on a bad team and becomes their scorer, and then becomes vastly overrated.

But Ariza had a great year with the Lakers last year, especially in the playoffs. There is more to the game than what your shot percentage is. He can score and he plays great defense, and he is only going to get better
Um...

Since when was 9ppg and 4 reb considered a great year?

Playoffs?

11ppg 4 reb. Not exactly lighting it up there.

And Gerald Wallace has averaged, since joining the Bobcats

16ppg, 7 reb. Wouldn't nessicarily call that garbage.
Feb 18, 2010 3:12pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:17 PM
HighRoller74 wrote:
Um...

Since when was 9ppg and 4 reb considered a great year?

Playoffs?

11ppg 4 reb. Not exactly lighting it up there.

And Gerald Wallace has averaged, since joining the Bobcats

16ppg, 7 reb. Wouldn't nessicarily call that garbage.
I said that Wallace sucked beforehand, and he did. He didn't do anything in Sacramento.

But yeah, keep thinking Ariza sucks. You obviously think that it is all about points. There's a reason he was a hot commodity this past offseason
Feb 18, 2010 3:17pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:25 PM
jordo212000 wrote:
HighRoller74 wrote:
Um...

Since when was 9ppg and 4 reb considered a great year?

Playoffs?

11ppg 4 reb. Not exactly lighting it up there.

And Gerald Wallace has averaged, since joining the Bobcats

16ppg, 7 reb. Wouldn't nessicarily call that garbage.
I said that Wallace sucked beforehand, and he did. He didn't do anything in Sacramento.

But yeah, keep thinking Ariza sucks. You obviously think that it is all about points. There's a reason he was a hot commodity this past offseason
In Sacramento he was stuck behind quite a few good players.

And where did I say Ariza sucked, you should use your own advice from the other thread, and learn to read.

You said Ariza had a great season, and playoffs, I proved he really didn't, but never once did I say he isn't a good player, and I think on the right team he'd be a legit 2nd or 3rd option, and an excellent defender, but he's not much more than that.

Once Martin gets in the swing of things, which shouldn't take much with his old Coach in Rick Adelman, you'll see him getting the lions share of the shots, and oppurtunities and Ariza can go back to being a #2, which he'd be better at.

And I wouldn't really say he was a hot Commodity, there was really 2 teams outside the lakers that wanted Ariza, and both were for the MLE.
Feb 18, 2010 3:25pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:30 PM
HighRoller74 wrote:
jordo212000 wrote:
HighRoller74 wrote:
Um...

Since when was 9ppg and 4 reb considered a great year?

Playoffs?

11ppg 4 reb. Not exactly lighting it up there.

And Gerald Wallace has averaged, since joining the Bobcats

16ppg, 7 reb. Wouldn't nessicarily call that garbage.
I said that Wallace sucked beforehand, and he did. He didn't do anything in Sacramento.

But yeah, keep thinking Ariza sucks. You obviously think that it is all about points. There's a reason he was a hot commodity this past offseason
In Sacramento he was stuck behind quite a few good players.

And where did I say Ariza sucked, you should use your own advice from the other thread, and learn to read.

You said Ariza had a great season, and playoffs, I proved he really didn't, but never once did I say he isn't a good player, and I think on the right team he'd be a legit 2nd or 3rd option, and an excellent defender, but he's not much more than that.

Once Martin gets in the swing of things, which shouldn't take much with his old Coach in Rick Adelman, you'll see him getting the lions share of the shots, and oppurtunities and Ariza can go back to being a #2, which he'd be better at.

And I wouldn't really say he was a hot Commodity, there was really 2 teams outside the lakers that wanted Ariza, and both were for the MLE.
I don't think anyone said Trevor Ariza is a great player or a number 1 option on a great team. Agree with what you said, he is definitely a good young player and someone you hold on to, but not someone you try to build a team around.
Feb 18, 2010 3:30pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:32 PM
Yeah I never said that he is a number 1 option. I didn't. I was saying that I don't agree with the notion that he isn't a good player.
Feb 18, 2010 3:32pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:35 PM
jordo212000 wrote: Yeah I never said that he is a number 1 option. I didn't. I was saying that I don't agree with the notion that he isn't a good player.
Wasn't saying that you did. And I agree with you, he's a good player, anyone saying otherwise is foolish, same could be said with Gerald Wallace though :)
Feb 18, 2010 3:35pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:38 PM
In other news, its gonna be cool to see what K-Mart can do with a change of scenery. Zville represent!
Feb 18, 2010 3:38pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:39 PM
The reason I brought Wallace into it was that Mulva said that the only reason Ariza was scoring what he was, was because he was one of the main options on a bad team. But Ariza has been solid before he turned up with the Rockets. Hence he wasn't like Gerald Wallace who came out of nowhere and automatically became well known because he was throwing up a ton of shots on a bad team
Feb 18, 2010 3:39pm
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Feb 18, 2010 3:46 PM
jordo212000 wrote: The reason I brought Wallace into it was that Mulva said that the only reason Ariza was scoring what he was, was because he was one of the main options on a bad team. But Ariza has been solid before he turned up with the Rockets. Hence he wasn't like Gerald Wallace who came out of nowhere and automatically became well known because he was throwing up a ton of shots on a bad team
Hate to keep busting your chops when it comes to Wallace, but he's a 47% shooter, averaging 11 shots per game with the Bobcats, not exactly throwing up a ton :D

In comparison, Ariza is chucking up 15 per game this year, shooting 38%.

Like I said, just busting your chops on Wallace, I'm a big fan of his game, and was hoping the Cavs would bring him in when it was discussed during the offseason :)
Feb 18, 2010 3:46pm