martyirish
Posts: 490
Feb 11, 2010 11:28am
pretty much on the mark
http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2010/02/02/seven_huge_flaws_in_the_way_liberals_think
http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2010/02/02/seven_huge_flaws_in_the_way_liberals_think
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 11, 2010 11:49am
Grouping all liberals into one class and coming up with seven large, general flaws has some flaws of its own.
Liberal is just a broad term that it makes little sense to say all liberals are like x or y. It is like saying all conservatives believe this or that. It is simply not true.
Take for example point 2, liberals can talk everything out with the enemies. That is simply not true, as there are liberals that believe in strong military force, but just see diplomacy as one tool in the arsenal. But, it is nice and neat to say all liberals think this way.
Liberal is just a broad term that it makes little sense to say all liberals are like x or y. It is like saying all conservatives believe this or that. It is simply not true.
Take for example point 2, liberals can talk everything out with the enemies. That is simply not true, as there are liberals that believe in strong military force, but just see diplomacy as one tool in the arsenal. But, it is nice and neat to say all liberals think this way.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Feb 11, 2010 11:58am
that list is complete and utter bullshit
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Feb 11, 2010 12:05pm
Rofl, what a terrible list.
Mass generalizations always=fail.
But, that is what we're seeing out of the Tea Party/Town Hall folks. Lacking in reason and facts, but never lacking in bluster and the like.
As Ptown said, one very common example is that many liberals believe in and advocate for a strong military, but also believe that Diplomacy should certainly be used as well. They can go hand-in-hand.
my favorite is...
"Liberals don't have enough respect for our culture and traditions"
What complete and utter bs.
The fact that the OP thinks this is "spot on" is disturbing as hell.
Mass generalizations always=fail.
But, that is what we're seeing out of the Tea Party/Town Hall folks. Lacking in reason and facts, but never lacking in bluster and the like.
As Ptown said, one very common example is that many liberals believe in and advocate for a strong military, but also believe that Diplomacy should certainly be used as well. They can go hand-in-hand.
my favorite is...
"Liberals don't have enough respect for our culture and traditions"
What complete and utter bs.
The fact that the OP thinks this is "spot on" is disturbing as hell.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Feb 11, 2010 12:07pm
I gatherd one thing from that list:
They think we all hate America
They think we all hate America
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Feb 11, 2010 12:09pm
2. Generally dim-witted and undeducated
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Feb 11, 2010 12:11pm
Haha, well done Fish.
martyirish
Posts: 490
Feb 11, 2010 12:11pm
liberals that believe in strong military force then must not be true 100%liberalptown_trojans_1 wrote: Grouping all liberals into one class and coming up with seven large, general flaws has some flaws of its own.
Liberal is just a broad term that it makes little sense to say all liberals are like x or y. It is like saying all conservatives believe this or that. It is simply not true.
Take for example point 2, liberals can talk everything out with the enemies. That is simply not true, as there are liberals that believe in strong military force, but just see diplomacy as one tool in the arsenal. But, it is nice and neat to say all liberals think this way.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Feb 11, 2010 12:13pm
^^^ really?
martyirish
Posts: 490
Feb 11, 2010 12:14pm
really
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Feb 11, 2010 12:15pm
Oh.My.God.martyirish wrote:liberals that believe in strong military force then must not be true 100%liberalptown_trojans_1 wrote: Grouping all liberals into one class and coming up with seven large, general flaws has some flaws of its own.
Liberal is just a broad term that it makes little sense to say all liberals are like x or y. It is like saying all conservatives believe this or that. It is simply not true.
Take for example point 2, liberals can talk everything out with the enemies. That is simply not true, as there are liberals that believe in strong military force, but just see diplomacy as one tool in the arsenal. But, it is nice and neat to say all liberals think this way.
Odd that i have so many liberal friends in the military, who obviously believe in having a strong military.
Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Feb 11, 2010 12:19pm
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Oh.My.God.
Odd that i have so many liberal friends in the military, who obviously believe in having a strong military.
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You have friends????
Oh.My.God.
Odd that i have so many liberal friends in the military, who obviously believe in having a strong military.
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You have friends????
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Feb 11, 2010 12:19pm
Aren't you making a mass generalization of the Tea Party/Town Hall folks?cbus4life wrote: Mass generalizations always=fail.
But, that is what we're seeing out of the Tea Party/Town Hall folks. Lacking in reason and facts, but never lacking in bluster and the like.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Feb 11, 2010 12:19pm
marty you have know idea wtf you're talking about
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Feb 11, 2010 12:22pm
Yes.majorspark wrote:Aren't you making a mass generalization of the Tea Party/Town Hall folks?cbus4life wrote: Mass generalizations always=fail.
But, that is what we're seeing out of the Tea Party/Town Hall folks. Lacking in reason and facts, but never lacking in bluster and the like.
But, they don't represent all conservatives, so his mass generalizations are greater than mine.
martyirish
Posts: 490
Feb 11, 2010 1:14pm
as Michael Savage says
"Liberalism is a mental disorder"
"Liberalism is a mental disorder"
I know more than youderek bomar wrote: marty you have know idea wtf you're talking about
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 11, 2010 1:30pm
What about "economic liberalism" or say, "classical liberalism"; are those mental disorders?martyirish wrote: as Michael Savage says
"Liberalism is a mental disorder"
Tell us what you know Marty; Englighten us with your broad sweeping, true, justified beliefs about the world that are in no way clouded by any kind of confirmation bias or self-fulfilling prophecy.
Tell us what a true broad brush-stroked liberal is
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Feb 11, 2010 1:33pm
So you're agreeing that there may be shades of liberalism that would overrule the premise of broad generalizations of liberalism that the clear intellectual heavyweight author in the article you linked discussed?martyirish wrote: liberals that believe in strong military force then must not be true 100%liberal
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Feb 11, 2010 1:53pm
Oh yea? Well...damn. That sucks.martyirish wrote: as Michael Savage says
"Liberalism is a mental disorder"I know more than youderek bomar wrote: marty you have know idea wtf you're talking about
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Feb 11, 2010 2:20pm
Stupid post is stupid
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Feb 11, 2010 2:22pm
Marty- I pretty much disagree with every liberal on here about a lot of things except that what you are saying makes absolutely no sense and makes conservatives look stupid.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Feb 11, 2010 2:22pm
martyirish wrote:
I know more than you
It's been awhile since I saw this one on a political board. Funny stuff. We all think we know it all, don't we?
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 11, 2010 2:48pm
Define liberal. What is 100% liberal? Then, once we have a definition, what range or part of the spectrum are we talking about?martyirish wrote:
liberals that believe in strong military force then must not be true 100%liberal
While we are at it, what is a conservative? What is the range and part of the spectrum for them? Is there an official definition for both terms?
Once you get into the details and start to ask question, the generalizations fall apart. No where in the article does he define a liberal, nor quantify how one is a liberal, nor on what aspect of the spectrum is the liberal he is referring to on.
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Feb 11, 2010 3:20pm
that list looks like it was written by a high school senior taking their US Government course.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 11, 2010 3:30pm
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:Define liberal. What is 100% liberal? Then, once we have a definition, what range or part of the spectrum are we talking about?martyirish wrote:
liberals that believe in strong military force then must not be true 100%liberal
While we are at it, what is a conservative? What is the range and part of the spectrum for them? Is there an official definition for both terms?
Once you get into the details and start to ask question, the generalizations fall apart. No where in the article does he define a liberal, nor quantify how one is a liberal, nor on what aspect of the spectrum is the liberal he is referring to on.
Of course the generalizations fall apart when you apply specifics. You can always find the exception to the rule....that's why they are generalizations. As generalizations...they are generally true. I'm mean what do you disagree with?
That 'liberals'( in general) have enormous faith in government? That they see themselves as good people? That they think they can reason with Chavez or Iran, but villify Hannity and Limbaugh?
C'mon, look at yourselves in the mirror and make an honest appraisal.
To be honest, my first thought when reading the topic header was "seven? only seven?"....LOL