Zoltan wrote: Just because something requires skill or technique does not mean it is not barbaric. I am sure it would require some skill to kill another man in a sword fight, but it would still be barbaric. I have watched MMA in bars and from my experience the things the fans enjoy most of are guys getting knocked out cold and the blood. It is barbaric and that is why alot of fans people like it.

pmoney25 wrote:

Zoltan wrote: Just because something requires skill or technique does not mean it is not barbaric. I am sure it would require some skill to kill another man in a sword fight, but it would still be barbaric. I have watched MMA in bars and from my experience the things the fans enjoy most of are guys getting knocked out cold and the blood. It is barbaric and that is why alot of fans people like it.

Is Nascar barbaric because most people openly admit watching to look for car wrecks? What about Hockey for fights? Football for the hits on Defense? People always get a reaction when something violent happens.

I just don't like the negative connotation that barbaric gives off. Like it is just a bunch of unskilled, talentless hacks going out there for blood with no concept of sportsmanship, hard work and passion that these guys have.

I am not disagreeing that certain aspects of it are not barbaric but people that know the sport are not just excited when someone get knocked out cold. I love watching great ground fighting, great clinch game, dirty boxing. I am more impressed with someone pulling a sweep from full guard than I am someone flailing away trying to knock someone out. Almost all of the people I know that follow the sport know and appreciate the sport and are not just some crazy rednecks thirsty for blood and knockouts.

Zoltan wrote: The loudest cheer I have ever heard for an MMA event was UFC 100 when Dan Henderson hit Bisbing when he was out cold. It almost made me sick, but Rogan and the UFC guys replayed it over and over again. It was very obvious that this was what the fans wanted to see.

eersandbeers wrote:

Zoltan wrote: The loudest cheer I have ever heard for an MMA event was UFC 100 when Dan Henderson hit Bisbing when he was out cold. It almost made me sick, but Rogan and the UFC guys replayed it over and over again. It was very obvious that this was what the fans wanted to see.

Why wouldn't they keep playing it over and over? It was amazing.

Why would it almost make you sick?

Zoltan wrote:

pmoney25 wrote:

Zoltan wrote: Just because something requires skill or technique does not mean it is not barbaric. I am sure it would require some skill to kill another man in a sword fight, but it would still be barbaric. I have watched MMA in bars and from my experience the things the fans enjoy most of are guys getting knocked out cold and the blood. It is barbaric and that is why alot of fans people like it.

Is Nascar barbaric because most people openly admit watching to look for car wrecks? What about Hockey for fights? Football for the hits on Defense? People always get a reaction when something violent happens.

I just don't like the negative connotation that barbaric gives off. Like it is just a bunch of unskilled, talentless hacks going out there for blood with no concept of sportsmanship, hard work and passion that these guys have.

I am not disagreeing that certain aspects of it are not barbaric but people that know the sport are not just excited when someone get knocked out cold. I love watching great ground fighting, great clinch game, dirty boxing. I am more impressed with someone pulling a sweep from full guard than I am someone flailing away trying to knock someone out. Almost all of the people I know that follow the sport know and appreciate the sport and are not just some crazy rednecks thirsty for blood and knockouts.

The loudest cheer I have ever heard for an MMA event was UFC 100 when Dan Henderson hit Bisbing when he was out cold. It almost made me sick, but Rogan and the UFC guys replayed it over and over again. It was very obvious that this was what the fans wanted to see.

Zoltan wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Zoltan wrote: The loudest cheer I have ever heard for an MMA event was UFC 100 when Dan Henderson hit Bisbing when he was out cold. It almost made me sick, but Rogan and the UFC guys replayed it over and over again. It was very obvious that this was what the fans wanted to see.

Why wouldn't they keep playing it over and over? It was amazing.

Why would it almost make you sick?

Because he knew he knew he was out, and hit him anyway. If this is what you want to see, you are making my point.

pmoney25 wrote:

Zoltan wrote:

pmoney25 wrote:

Zoltan wrote: Just because something requires skill or technique does not mean it is not barbaric. I am sure it would require some skill to kill another man in a sword fight, but it would still be barbaric. I have watched MMA in bars and from my experience the things the fans enjoy most of are guys getting knocked out cold and the blood. It is barbaric and that is why alot of fans people like it.

Is Nascar barbaric because most people openly admit watching to look for car wrecks? What about Hockey for fights? Football for the hits on Defense? People always get a reaction when something violent happens.

I just don't like the negative connotation that barbaric gives off. Like it is just a bunch of unskilled, talentless hacks going out there for blood with no concept of sportsmanship, hard work and passion that these guys have.

I am not disagreeing that certain aspects of it are not barbaric but people that know the sport are not just excited when someone get knocked out cold. I love watching great ground fighting, great clinch game, dirty boxing. I am more impressed with someone pulling a sweep from full guard than I am someone flailing away trying to knock someone out. Almost all of the people I know that follow the sport know and appreciate the sport and are not just some crazy rednecks thirsty for blood and knockouts.

The loudest cheer I have ever heard for an MMA event was UFC 100 when Dan Henderson hit Bisbing when he was out cold. It almost made me sick, but Rogan and the UFC guys replayed it over and over again. It was very obvious that this was what the fans wanted to see.

And when Brett Farve got hit like crazy vs. The Saints, those replays were shown over and over again.

And actually getting ko'd is better than taking a beating for 12 rounds getting hit in the head hundreds of times

I don't mind if people do not like MMA but to call it barbaric than go and root on their favorite NFL team the next day is beyond hypocritical to me.

Zoltan wrote: I was saying people cheered a clearly dirty shot. Henderson admitted he did it to "shut him up" after so there was zero doubt where his motivation came from.

eersandbeers wrote:

Zoltan wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Zoltan wrote: The loudest cheer I have ever heard for an MMA event was UFC 100 when Dan Henderson hit Bisbing when he was out cold. It almost made me sick, but Rogan and the UFC guys replayed it over and over again. It was very obvious that this was what the fans wanted to see.

Why wouldn't they keep playing it over and over? It was amazing.

Why would it almost make you sick?

Because he knew he knew he was out, and hit him anyway. If this is what you want to see, you are making my point.

He hit him because the ref didn't stop the fight. You keep fighting until it's over.

And Bisping deserved that extra forearm for all the talking before the fight.

Zoltan wrote:Henderson admitted he did it to "shut him up" after so there was zero doubt where his motivation came from.

Zoltan wrote:

Exactly my point, you feel it was justified to forearm an unconscious man with brain trauma because he was "talking." Thug logic at best.

eersandbeers wrote:

Zoltan wrote:

Exactly my point, you feel it was justified to forearm an unconscious man with brain trauma because he was "talking." Thug logic at best.

Did the ref stop the fight? Then the forearm was justified despite your illogical reasons against continuing to fight.

Zoltan wrote:
Everyone who has a clue knows the ref had not even reacted to the knockout shot yet, and Henderson intentionally got it in before the ref could stop it. He knew he was out, admitted it, and said as much.

The loud reaction of the crowd when Henderson openly gloated about the dirty shot told the story. This is what gives MMA, and its fans a bad name.

eersandbeers wrote:

Zoltan wrote:
Everyone who has a clue knows the ref had not even reacted to the knockout shot yet, and Henderson intentionally got it in before the ref could stop it. He knew he was out, admitted it, and said as much.

The loud reaction of the crowd when Henderson openly gloated about the dirty shot told the story. This is what gives MMA, and its fans a bad name.

He was fighting until the ref stopped the fight. That is what you are supposed to do.

And MMA and it's fans don't have a bad name that I know of. I mean it is the fastest growing sport in the world and has been in places like Japan for years.

Zoltan wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Zoltan wrote:
Everyone who has a clue knows the ref had not even reacted to the knockout shot yet, and Henderson intentionally got it in before the ref could stop it. He knew he was out, admitted it, and said as much.

The loud reaction of the crowd when Henderson openly gloated about the dirty shot told the story. This is what gives MMA, and its fans a bad name.

He was fighting until the ref stopped the fight. That is what you are supposed to do.

And MMA and it's fans don't have a bad name that I know of. I mean it is the fastest growing sport in the world and has been in places like Japan for years.

If that is what you are supposed to do, why did he say he doesn't hit guys when they are out except for against Bisbing?

pmoney25 wrote:

Zoltan wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Zoltan wrote:
Everyone who has a clue knows the ref had not even reacted to the knockout shot yet, and Henderson intentionally got it in before the ref could stop it. He knew he was out, admitted it, and said as much.

The loud reaction of the crowd when Henderson openly gloated about the dirty shot told the story. This is what gives MMA, and its fans a bad name.

He was fighting until the ref stopped the fight. That is what you are supposed to do.

And MMA and it's fans don't have a bad name that I know of. I mean it is the fastest growing sport in the world and has been in places like Japan for years.

If that is what you are supposed to do, why did he say he doesn't hit guys when they are out except for against Bisbing?

This argument makes no sense. I can go through pretty much any sport and find cheap shots that were done on purpose. Hell anytime a pitcher hits a batter for retaliation for one of his teammates getting hit is dirty. Pitchers have even admitted after games of hitting someone with a baseball traveling 90-100 MPH.

As for people cheering, Yes some people may cheer louder for a Knockout. Just like some people cheer louder for a Slam Dunk than a Layup or an 80 Yard Touchdown pass vs. a 1 yard td run.

And if you really watch fights you will see that anytime a fight is finished whether it is a KO or Submission it is shown over and over again.

Zoltan wrote: 2.) The fact they showed it over and over again is pretty irrelevant. What is not irrelevant is that a large % of MMA fans thrive on the most violent part of it, and not the technique. Hence the large amounts booing when fights stay on the ground too long.

pmoney25 wrote: Well I guess to avoid liking things that are barbaric, you must stick with watching Baseball, Golf or Tennis because apparently any sport with contact in it is barbaric.

Con_Alma wrote: Yes this sport is barbaric.

Yes these fighter's have tremendous skills.

Yes, this is a wildly growing, legitimate sport.

I thought being barbaric was part of the appeal.