CC you could have wrote his speech for him and you still would bad mouth him.

jmog wrote: Noticed you skipped right over my point about his oath and job description not allowing for his remarks about the SC.

Telling the SC that that their ruling was horse shit is somehow breaking his constutional vows?

Chair throwing between the executive branch and the judicial branch has occurred way too many times to count over the centuries.

Kudos to Obama in giving the finger to Alito and his pro corporatist-oligarch panel.

majorspark wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

jmog wrote: Noticed you skipped right over my point about his oath and job description not allowing for his remarks about the SC.

because the point doesn't hold water...enforcing/carrying out the laws of the land doesn't mean you can't disagree with one. He can voice his opinion but as long as doesn't say "and I won't follow the ruling, and I am enforcing the old laws" he hasn't broken his job description...at least not from my POV.

A voice of reason from one on the right. Thank you Spark for stepping outside of the box and using the brains God gave you.

I agree with derek on this one. The Supremes are not gods. They are co-equal branches of the Federal Government. One branch is not greater than the other. The POTUS does not swear his oath to the SCOTUS. They can be wrong and should be called out if they are. I would point out that the State of the Union would not be the respectful place politically to do it.

Footwedge wrote:

jmog wrote: Noticed you skipped right over my point about his oath and job description not allowing for his remarks about the SC.

Telling the SC that that their ruling was horse shit is somehow breaking his constutional vows?

Chair throwing between the executive branch and the judicial branch has occurred way too many times to count over the centuries.

Kudos to Obama in giving the finger to Alito and his pro corporatist-oligarch panel.

You are probably in the same group that chastised Joe Wilson for yelling "you lie" to Obama aren't you?

You can't chastise Joe Wilson for his outburst and then agree with Obama in the same sentence.

And yes, the ONLY right Obama has on influencing the SC is in nominations, he doesn't have any "veto" power on them like he does Congress, so his chastisement of them was 100% horse crap and bad form.

I, again, disagreed with Joe Wilson's way of going as well, so I'm not just going down a "party line". They were both idiots, Wilson and Obama.

And yeah, protecting a companies right to do what they want with their money is just plain BAD isn't it?

Footwedge wrote:Kudos to Obama in giving the finger to Alito and his pro corporatist-oligarch panel.

Pro corporatist-oligarch panel? :rolleyes:

Writerbuckeye wrote:I'd say it's comical, but I don't find an inept President funny; and this guy has proven totally inept when it comes to showing any kind of management skills.

Oh I dunno...BHO excels at whining, arrogance, finger pointing, Bush Blaming, spending taxpayer dollars, and polished teleprompter speeches.

I like to give credit where it's due.

jmog wrote:

And yeah, protecting a companies right to do what they want with their money is just plain BAD isn't it?

Yes, when it is a made up Constitutional basis and ruins the Republic. Unfortunately they chose in favor of corporatism.


I absolutely love the partisan divide. I hope our politicians become more like the Asian politicians and start beating each other.

Can everyone join me now an call Obama ......Public Servant Obaman ....

eersandbeers wrote:I absolutely love the partisan divide. I hope our politicians become more like the Asian politicians and start beating each other.

NAW....We'll just put the Libertarians in the middle and let the Dems ands Repubs take out their aggressions on them.

I have to say I still haven't found time to watch the speech, (Have to prioritize grimy strip clubs first), but I do find it a bit off kilter that President Obama, a Constitutional Law professor for a long time, would rip into the Supreme Court so bad like that at the State of the Union. Clearly, President Obama would have his own judicial philosophy and perhaps he disagrees and would have interpreted the Constitution differently...but these are the judges we have right now. And, perhaps it's necessary to carve out the distinctions that the People want between legal person's born by the states (corporation) and legal persons born by God, (us humans)...if the Court did not find a distinction.

There's no doubt, the President arguing with the Supreme Court gives me a kind of warm feeling in my belly because the branches are fighting against eachother like the framers might have predicted...but nonetheless, I'm not sure if the State of the Union is the place to do it...

BoatShoes wrote: I have to say I still haven't found time to watch the speech, (Have to prioritize grimy strip clubs first), but I do find it a bit off kilter that President Obama, a Constitutional Law professor for a long time, would rip into the Supreme Court so bad like that at the State of the Union. Clearly, President Obama would have his own judicial philosophy and perhaps he disagrees and would have interpreted the Constitution differently...but these are the judges we have right now. And, perhaps it's necessary to carve out the distinctions that the People want between legal person's born by the states (corporation) and legal persons born by God, (us humans)...if the Court did not find a distinction.

There's no doubt, the President arguing with the Supreme Court gives me a kind of warm feeling in my belly because the branches are fighting against eachother like the framers might have predicted...but nonetheless, I'm not sure if the State of the Union is the place to do it...

I pretty much agree. I have zero issue with Bam taking on the ruling. And while I think some on here (who shall remain nameless) are acting like complete drama queens over it, I concede that there are probably some spots that could/should be tweaked with some well-targeted legislation.

My issue is that the SOTU is not the place to be calling out the SCOTUS. It just further illustrates Bam's immaturity, and that of his administration overall.

believer wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:I absolutely love the partisan divide. I hope our politicians become more like the Asian politicians and start beating each other.

NAW....We'll just put the Libertarians in the middle and let the Dems ands Repubs take out their aggressions on them.

Well at least we'll be relevant.

Wouldn't surprise me though. People always want to get rid of those who are pro-freedom and anti-big government.

BoatShoes wrote: I have to say I still haven't found time to watch the speech, (Have to prioritize grimy strip clubs first), but I do find it a bit off kilter that President Obama, a Constitutional Law professor for a long time, would rip into the Supreme Court so bad like that at the State of the Union. Clearly, President Obama would have his own judicial philosophy and perhaps he disagrees and would have interpreted the Constitution differently...but these are the judges we have right now. And, perhaps it's necessary to carve out the distinctions that the People want between legal person's born by the states (corporation) and legal persons born by God, (us humans)...if the Court did not find a distinction.

I agree that these distinctions need to be carved out. Perhaps an amendment to the constitution is in order here. This would end the argurments and clearly define the distinctions.

BoatShoes wrote: There's no doubt, the President arguing with the Supreme Court gives me a kind of warm feeling in my belly because the branches are fighting against eachother like the framers might have predicted...but nonetheless, I'm not sure if the State of the Union is the place to do it...

I felt the exact same way. Though I agreed with the Supreme Courts decision, and disagreed with Obamas statement to them, I had a similar feeling of the expression of the balance or power. I get that same feeling when a state government tell the feds to go pound sand. I wonder if you get that same feeling too?