2quik4u
Posts: 4,388
Jan 24, 2010 9:30pm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60N0XR20100124?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/worldNews+(News+/+US+/+International
How long is this lie going to go on? Bid Laden has been dead for years now
How long is this lie going to go on? Bid Laden has been dead for years now
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jan 25, 2010 1:58am
We tried the shoebomber as a civilian. I guess that is the precedent they are following as the circumstances are very similar.ccrunner609 wrote: Yeah and Obama wants to try the guy as a civilian. He himself said we are at war with Al Queda so he should be in a military prison getting interrogated right now but no, he is in a jail lawyered up.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 25, 2010 9:10am
IggyPride00 wrote:We tried the shoebomber as a civilian. I guess that is the precedent they are following as the circumstances are very similar.ccrunner609 wrote: Yeah and Obama wants to try the guy as a civilian. He himself said we are at war with Al Queda so he should be in a military prison getting interrogated right now but no, he is in a jail lawyered up.
Well then they all should get the shoe-bombers judge! I liked his style and delivery
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Jan 25, 2010 11:08am
Who cares how you try him? Jesus...it's not like he won't be convicted. And spare me the "chance to spew his venom" bsccrunner609 wrote: Yeah and Obama wants to try the guy as a civilian. He himself said we are at war with Al Queda so he should be in a military prison getting interrogated right now but no, he is in a jail lawyered up.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 25, 2010 11:36am
I care how these terrorists get tried. Why should foreign terrorists be treated as civilians?
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jan 25, 2010 11:40am
So, Tim McVeigh should have not been tried in civilian court?CenterBHSFan wrote: I care how these terrorists get tried. Why should foreign terrorists be treated as civilians?
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
OBL already has a massive indictment on him (70 some pages), just look it up at the National Security Archives website. If the guy is found, he will easily be tried and found guilty. The guy will get his.
I also still think he is still alive. But, that his power and influence has been greatly diminished.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jan 25, 2010 11:43am
Assuming we ever even locate him, OBL won't allow himself to be taken alive anyway, so the point is moot. Even if we were to somehow get out mitts on him...Bam isn't stupid enough to try him in a civilian courtroom.
Now Eric holder on the other hand.......
Now Eric holder on the other hand.......
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Jan 25, 2010 11:55am
why do u care Center?
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Jan 25, 2010 11:56am
Should we be trying domestic terrorists in military court as well?
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jan 25, 2010 12:13pm
If they've declared de facto war against the country, then yes. Apples and oranges, IMO.cbus4life wrote: Should we be trying domestic terrorists in military court as well?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 25, 2010 12:37pm
I tend to disagree with my friends on the right on this one. I see no need to give these common criminals any special status. Try them and send them to federal prison. Bet they'll be really popular.
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Jan 25, 2010 12:52pm
This.queencitybuckeye wrote: I tend to disagree with my friends on the right on this one. I see no need to give these common criminals any special status. Try them and send them to federal prison. Bet they'll be really popular.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 25, 2010 1:16pm
I bolded a sentence I originally wrote, Ptown, in case you missed it (which i think you did)ptown_trojans_1 wrote:So, Tim McVeigh should have not been tried in civilian court?CenterBHSFan wrote: I care how these terrorists get tried. Why should foreign terrorists be treated as civilians?
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
OBL already has a massive indictment on him (70 some pages), just look it up at the National Security Archives website. If the guy is found, he will easily be tried and found guilty. The guy will get his.
I also still think he is still alive. But, that his power and influence has been greatly diminished.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 25, 2010 1:19pm
Terrorism is war. One of a variety of methods. Terrorists should NOT be treated and/or tried as civilians because of this, IMHO.
Isn't the law written so that a certain level of discretion can be utilized?
Isn't the law written so that a certain level of discretion can be utilized?
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Jan 25, 2010 1:19pm
edit...saw your response...CenterBHSFan wrote:I bolded a sentence I originally wrote, Ptown, in case you missed it (which i think you did)ptown_trojans_1 wrote:So, Tim McVeigh should have not been tried in civilian court?CenterBHSFan wrote: I care how these terrorists get tried. Why should foreign terrorists be treated as civilians?
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
OBL already has a massive indictment on him (70 some pages), just look it up at the National Security Archives website. If the guy is found, he will easily be tried and found guilty. The guy will get his.
I also still think he is still alive. But, that his power and influence has been greatly diminished.
I still don't get why you care though...same result, they're going to be put away...do you have some fear of them getting off?
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 25, 2010 1:26pm
derek bomar wrote: why do u care Center?
Why wouldn't people care?
Look, if you don't care, that's fine by me, nothing forcing you to care.
I do, and that's pretty much all there is to it. How can people describe "why" about everything they care about? Sometimes you can't or won't.
To me, it isn't about giving "special treatment". It's about putting these terrorists in the classification that they belong in.
Terrorism is war, and war crimes have their own system of judicial laws, do they not?
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Jan 25, 2010 1:33pm
Is there an agreed upon definition that says terrorism is an act of war? I mean, was McVeigh at War with something? How do you differentiate the two? And why does it even matter? They're going to go to jail, who cares how? Seriously, it doesn't matter. This should be about the end result and not the process.CenterBHSFan wrote:derek bomar wrote: why do u care Center?
Why wouldn't people care?
Look, if you don't care, that's fine by me, nothing forcing you to care.
I do, and that's pretty much all there is to it. How can people describe "why" about everything they care about? Sometimes you can't or won't.
To me, it isn't about giving "special treatment". It's about putting these terrorists in the classification that they belong in.
Terrorism is war, and war crimes have their own system of judicial laws, do they not?
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Jan 25, 2010 1:46pm
Should we be trying the folks who blow up abortion clinics in a military court?
Or the Animal Liberation Front, which is a terrorist organization?
Or the Animal Liberation Front, which is a terrorist organization?
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 25, 2010 1:46pm
That's your opinion, DB, and I'm fine with it.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 25, 2010 1:51pm
This. Again.wkfan wrote:This.queencitybuckeye wrote: I tend to disagree with my friends on the right on this one. I see no need to give these common criminals any special status. Try them and send them to federal prison. Bet they'll be really popular.
Kill a man. You're fine in prison. Armed robbery. You're cool. Attack the USA as a whole, won't fly.
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Swamp Fox
Posts: 2,218
Jan 25, 2010 2:13pm
Another enthusiastic vote for "queencitybuckeye". Why give any credibility to common thugs like this? Try them, convict them, and send them to a place with a very low recidivism rate, because they will never leave.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 25, 2010 2:21pm
They should be tried as civilians as they are undeserving of the title soldier or warrior. Our opponents in more traditional wars, while the enemy of course, on balance fought with honor. These people have no honor. They are nothing but criminals and should be treated as such, IMO.CenterBHSFan wrote: Terrorism is war. One of a variety of methods. Terrorists should NOT be treated and/or tried as civilians because of this, IMHO.
Isn't the law written so that a certain level of discretion can be utilized?
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jan 25, 2010 3:28pm
Dump water on their faces to see if they give up any info. Then toss them into a pen to be eaten alive by pigs. Done.
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
Jan 25, 2010 4:06pm
Agreed.queencitybuckeye wrote: I tend to disagree with my friends on the right on this one. I see no need to give these common criminals any special status. Try them and send them to federal prison. Bet they'll be really popular.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Jan 25, 2010 8:32pm
Terrorism is certainly not war they are not synonymous not even a little bit. Talk about polluting language and making clear terms ambiguous this here will do it.CenterBHSFan wrote:derek bomar wrote: why do u care Center?
Why wouldn't people care?
Look, if you don't care, that's fine by me, nothing forcing you to care.
I do, and that's pretty much all there is to it. How can people describe "why" about everything they care about? Sometimes you can't or won't.
To me, it isn't about giving "special treatment". It's about putting these terrorists in the classification that they belong in.
Terrorism is war, and war crimes have their own system of judicial laws, do they not?
So then what are your reactions to the terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan by the US?
The word war and the word terrorist are different for a reason.
Soldiers go to military trials Civilians go to civilian court. I am not willing to call Al Qaeda members soldiers. The words soldier and terrorist are not synonymous either.