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Jan 25, 2010 6:58 AM
ccrunner609 wrote: Yeah and Obama wants to try the guy as a civilian. He himself said we are at war with Al Queda so he should be in a military prison getting interrogated right now but no, he is in a jail lawyered up.
We tried the shoebomber as a civilian. I guess that is the precedent they are following as the circumstances are very similar.
Jan 25, 2010 1:58am
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Jan 25, 2010 2:10 PM
IggyPride00 wrote:
ccrunner609 wrote: Yeah and Obama wants to try the guy as a civilian. He himself said we are at war with Al Queda so he should be in a military prison getting interrogated right now but no, he is in a jail lawyered up.
We tried the shoebomber as a civilian. I guess that is the precedent they are following as the circumstances are very similar.

Well then they all should get the shoe-bombers judge! I liked his style and delivery ;)
Jan 25, 2010 9:10am
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Jan 25, 2010 4:08 PM
ccrunner609 wrote: Yeah and Obama wants to try the guy as a civilian. He himself said we are at war with Al Queda so he should be in a military prison getting interrogated right now but no, he is in a jail lawyered up.
Who cares how you try him? Jesus...it's not like he won't be convicted. And spare me the "chance to spew his venom" bs
Jan 25, 2010 11:08am
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Jan 25, 2010 4:36 PM
I care how these terrorists get tried. Why should foreign terrorists be treated as civilians?
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
Jan 25, 2010 11:36am
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Jan 25, 2010 4:40 PM
CenterBHSFan wrote: I care how these terrorists get tried. Why should foreign terrorists be treated as civilians?
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
So, Tim McVeigh should have not been tried in civilian court?

OBL already has a massive indictment on him (70 some pages), just look it up at the National Security Archives website. If the guy is found, he will easily be tried and found guilty. The guy will get his.

I also still think he is still alive. But, that his power and influence has been greatly diminished.
Jan 25, 2010 11:40am
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Jan 25, 2010 4:43 PM
Assuming we ever even locate him, OBL won't allow himself to be taken alive anyway, so the point is moot. Even if we were to somehow get out mitts on him...Bam isn't stupid enough to try him in a civilian courtroom.

Now Eric holder on the other hand....... ;)
Jan 25, 2010 11:43am
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Jan 25, 2010 4:55 PM
why do u care Center?
Jan 25, 2010 11:55am
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cbus4life

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Jan 25, 2010 4:56 PM
Should we be trying domestic terrorists in military court as well?
Jan 25, 2010 11:56am
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Jan 25, 2010 5:13 PM
cbus4life wrote: Should we be trying domestic terrorists in military court as well?
If they've declared de facto war against the country, then yes. Apples and oranges, IMO.
Jan 25, 2010 12:13pm
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Jan 25, 2010 5:37 PM
I tend to disagree with my friends on the right on this one. I see no need to give these common criminals any special status. Try them and send them to federal prison. Bet they'll be really popular.
Jan 25, 2010 12:37pm
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Jan 25, 2010 5:52 PM
queencitybuckeye wrote: I tend to disagree with my friends on the right on this one. I see no need to give these common criminals any special status. Try them and send them to federal prison. Bet they'll be really popular.
This.
Jan 25, 2010 12:52pm
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Jan 25, 2010 6:16 PM
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
CenterBHSFan wrote: I care how these terrorists get tried. Why should foreign terrorists be treated as civilians?
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
So, Tim McVeigh should have not been tried in civilian court?

OBL already has a massive indictment on him (70 some pages), just look it up at the National Security Archives website. If the guy is found, he will easily be tried and found guilty. The guy will get his.

I also still think he is still alive. But, that his power and influence has been greatly diminished.
I bolded a sentence I originally wrote, Ptown, in case you missed it (which i think you did) :)
Jan 25, 2010 1:16pm
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Jan 25, 2010 6:19 PM
Terrorism is war. One of a variety of methods. Terrorists should NOT be treated and/or tried as civilians because of this, IMHO.
Isn't the law written so that a certain level of discretion can be utilized?
Jan 25, 2010 1:19pm
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Jan 25, 2010 6:19 PM
CenterBHSFan wrote:
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
CenterBHSFan wrote: I care how these terrorists get tried. Why should foreign terrorists be treated as civilians?
Anybody acting in a manner of war, should NOT be treated/tried as civilians. It doesn't matter if they are foreign or domestic terrorists.
So, Tim McVeigh should have not been tried in civilian court?

OBL already has a massive indictment on him (70 some pages), just look it up at the National Security Archives website. If the guy is found, he will easily be tried and found guilty. The guy will get his.

I also still think he is still alive. But, that his power and influence has been greatly diminished.
I bolded a sentence I originally wrote, Ptown, in case you missed it (which i think you did) :)
edit...saw your response...

I still don't get why you care though...same result, they're going to be put away...do you have some fear of them getting off?
Jan 25, 2010 1:19pm
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Jan 25, 2010 6:26 PM
derek bomar wrote: why do u care Center?

Why wouldn't people care?

Look, if you don't care, that's fine by me, nothing forcing you to care.

I do, and that's pretty much all there is to it. How can people describe "why" about everything they care about? Sometimes you can't or won't.

To me, it isn't about giving "special treatment". It's about putting these terrorists in the classification that they belong in.
Terrorism is war, and war crimes have their own system of judicial laws, do they not?
Jan 25, 2010 1:26pm
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Jan 25, 2010 6:33 PM
CenterBHSFan wrote:
derek bomar wrote: why do u care Center?

Why wouldn't people care?

Look, if you don't care, that's fine by me, nothing forcing you to care.

I do, and that's pretty much all there is to it. How can people describe "why" about everything they care about? Sometimes you can't or won't.

To me, it isn't about giving "special treatment". It's about putting these terrorists in the classification that they belong in.
Terrorism is war, and war crimes have their own system of judicial laws, do they not?
Is there an agreed upon definition that says terrorism is an act of war? I mean, was McVeigh at War with something? How do you differentiate the two? And why does it even matter? They're going to go to jail, who cares how? Seriously, it doesn't matter. This should be about the end result and not the process.
Jan 25, 2010 1:33pm
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Jan 25, 2010 6:46 PM
Should we be trying the folks who blow up abortion clinics in a military court?

Or the Animal Liberation Front, which is a terrorist organization?
Jan 25, 2010 1:46pm
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Jan 25, 2010 6:46 PM
That's your opinion, DB, and I'm fine with it. :)
Jan 25, 2010 1:46pm
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Jan 25, 2010 6:51 PM
wkfan wrote:
queencitybuckeye wrote: I tend to disagree with my friends on the right on this one. I see no need to give these common criminals any special status. Try them and send them to federal prison. Bet they'll be really popular.
This.
This. Again.

Kill a man. You're fine in prison. Armed robbery. You're cool. Attack the USA as a whole, won't fly.
Jan 25, 2010 1:51pm
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Jan 25, 2010 7:13 PM
Another enthusiastic vote for "queencitybuckeye". Why give any credibility to common thugs like this? Try them, convict them, and send them to a place with a very low recidivism rate, because they will never leave.
Jan 25, 2010 2:13pm
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Jan 25, 2010 7:21 PM
CenterBHSFan wrote: Terrorism is war. One of a variety of methods. Terrorists should NOT be treated and/or tried as civilians because of this, IMHO.
Isn't the law written so that a certain level of discretion can be utilized?
They should be tried as civilians as they are undeserving of the title soldier or warrior. Our opponents in more traditional wars, while the enemy of course, on balance fought with honor. These people have no honor. They are nothing but criminals and should be treated as such, IMO.
Jan 25, 2010 2:21pm
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Jan 25, 2010 8:28 PM
Dump water on their faces to see if they give up any info. Then toss them into a pen to be eaten alive by pigs. Done.
Jan 25, 2010 3:28pm
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Jan 25, 2010 9:06 PM
queencitybuckeye wrote: I tend to disagree with my friends on the right on this one. I see no need to give these common criminals any special status. Try them and send them to federal prison. Bet they'll be really popular.
Agreed.
Jan 25, 2010 4:06pm
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Jan 26, 2010 1:32 AM
CenterBHSFan wrote:
derek bomar wrote: why do u care Center?

Why wouldn't people care?

Look, if you don't care, that's fine by me, nothing forcing you to care.

I do, and that's pretty much all there is to it. How can people describe "why" about everything they care about? Sometimes you can't or won't.

To me, it isn't about giving "special treatment". It's about putting these terrorists in the classification that they belong in.
Terrorism is war, and war crimes have their own system of judicial laws, do they not?
Terrorism is certainly not war they are not synonymous not even a little bit. Talk about polluting language and making clear terms ambiguous this here will do it.

So then what are your reactions to the terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan by the US?

The word war and the word terrorist are different for a reason.

Soldiers go to military trials Civilians go to civilian court. I am not willing to call Al Qaeda members soldiers. The words soldier and terrorist are not synonymous either.
Jan 25, 2010 8:32pm